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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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Dear All,

I received an email today from Stockslegal stating I have not responded to previous nor arranged repayment of my outstanding liability.

 

 

In the circumstances our instructions are to commence legal proceedings against you..

 

It goes on to say in terms of prospective legal proceedings they ask me to please note that our clients position, HSBC, is fully reserved in terms of the choice between

a) Debt revery proceedings or

b) Bankruptcy..

 

There is some more info giving me another 7 days to make proposals to pay the debt.

Then the last paragraph says please note proceedings will be served at your last known place of residence.

If we are successful in obtaining a judgement against you we will seek to enforce the same against you to recover our clients debt.

 

Can enlightened readers kindly share their thoughts and advice as this has of course got me very worried.

 

I am not in a position to pay the full debt back unless over many years and I cant become bankrupt or I may lose the house which my family needs to live in, and this would put me much further into debt.

 

Many thanks.

 

They have also emailed my wife directly, surely this isnt right.

How on earth they got her private email address when we were not together at the time or indeed is this anything to do with her.

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Have a read of this linked where someone is facing a similar situation

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?471877-Dubai-Car-Finance-debt-being-chased-in-the-UK-by-Stockslegal-limited/page2

 

How much is the debt approx ?

 

What type of debt ? E.g Private bank loan, credit card

 

When did you stop paying ?

 

You can end up with a court judgement against you, because the claim has gone to an old UK address and the claimant has won by default. They would not have had to supply any documents to the court, because the claim was not defended. Trying to then set aside the court judgement and to defend the claim would be difficult.

 

Best advice is not to hide and to make them provide all documents in English. If it looks like you are not an easy target, then they might not bother to go all the way through a coutt claim.

 

They obviously know from UK records you are married, but might not have current residential address.

We could do with some help from you.

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180k AED, I think its a credit card ,but it was so long ago. Stopped paying in 2009 early 2010.

 

There has been no claim yet apart from the letter. My point is I will wish to defend the claim.

 

Thank you.

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bar pers stuff can you copy the email here please as it is not your version of what it says..

 

 

worst fleecers out there for UAE debts that are owed to no-one and simply line their pockets

most are also state barred anyway. or very close

they've waited all this time so they can add 6yrs of interest too incase you are mug enough to contact them.

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yes copy and paste the email to this thread.

 

It can't be that difficult to find your current address, so i wonder why an email was sent. Perhaps they are not totally sure you are in the UK.

We could do with some help from you.

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had to remove your attachment

as we can see thru pen!

as the guide points out

can you redact properly and repostt as per the upload

 

 

but

that's a threat-o-gram

doesn't say will anything if you read it properly.

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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help if I typed upload properly too...:lol:

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I would think the Dubai Bank would have to have a court judgement in Dubai, before a UK court would look at it, given the debt goes back to 2009/10.

I don't think the foreign judgements act limitations period allowing more than 6 years to go to court means any direct access to UK court.

I think there has to be a Dubai judgement first and then they can try to transfer to a UK court with the Dubai limitations period applying which from memory is 20 years.

 

If Stockslegal know your UK address and they are certain of their legal position to enforce the debt in the UK, why are they not issuing a letter before action followed by relevant court application.

 

If they are sending standard debt collection threatograms, it means they don't know whether they can proceed to enforce the debt legally.

We could do with some help from you.

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Not being a legal eagle I am glad to hear it is a threat o gram, however if I read it with my common or garden knowledge then it seems to me the last paragraph does say "Please note proceedings will be served at your last known...etc and that they will"

 

The debt is from 1st quarter 2009 I recall. I had left Dubai by then. Thank you for your input and help. I will donate.

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no read it properly [ps ive removed the ref number in your scan!!]

 

its not saying they WILL issue proceeding..

 

its saying if they do it will be issued to your last uk address.

 

the devil in threat-o-grams is ALWAYS in the fine detail.

 

sorry but as with all these UAE debts

its a massive fleecing exercise...

 

they would bother going to such extents if they really thought they'd win

they'd simply do it.

 

but a 20p threat-o-gram

gets them millions of pounds as with all DCA's.

 

if only people read the letters properly and stopped paying DCA's and their fake/tame solicitors

the whole industry would collapse tomorrow

 

and the courts would have the time and the staff to deal with real issues.

not be snowed under with 900'000 speculative claimforms a year

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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The debt is from 1st quarter 2009 I recall. I had left Dubai by then. Thank you for your input and help. I will donate.

 

That email is not a proper letter before action.

 

I think you are probably best to not hide from this and deal with it, asking for full disclosure of all documents from the Dubai Bank. E.g copy of any financial agreement includimg full terms/conditions with translation document into English, copy of any default notice with translation into English, copies of statements of account, copy of any Dubai Court judgement with court translation into English.

 

Get them to supply everything and if they do so, then obtain further advice.

We could do with some help from you.

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Some complicated reading regarding applying foreign limitations periods in the UK.

 

http://www.civillitigationbrief.com/2016/12/04/undue-hardship-and-the-foreign-limitation-periods-act/

 

I think taking you to court in the UK would be pretty complicated, given that it would be addressing the debt under UEA law and then there are arguments about limitations period.

 

If places like Dubai have lots of foreign workers taking out loans there, then they could arguably set a limitation period of 100 years. I think it is 20 years. But the point is that they could just sit on a debt for 10 years waiting for financial circumstances of the debtor to change. It would be pretty unfair and cause undue hardship, if they tried to apply a debt exceeding the UK limitations period, when the debtor had moved on, bought a house, got married etc etc.

We could do with some help from you.

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My solicitor had a reply stating foreign limitation period act and also the UAE civil code article 473.

 

They state the matter is not statute barred and wish instructions on repayment as their client seeks to resolve the matter amicably.

 

They have stated that I am indebted to their client and they have instructions to pursue for recovery of the same.

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As advised in my previous posts ask for all the documents i mentioned to be provided in English.

 

 

If they want to use English courts, then they need to supply documents in English.

And you are entitled to have these documents now.

 

They are just trying to get you to enter into payments, as the cheapest possible recovery option for them. There is no guarantee they would succeed in gaining a court judgement in England.

We could do with some help from you.

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Update:

Nothing heard back from Stockslegal.

 

However another firm called IDRWW have been in contact and also sent a letter recently asking me to engage with them and resolve the problem.

 

They said they would like to do this whilst we are managing the account before our client moves the account into a legal collections process with solicitors CWD.

 

They then go on to say legal costs will be added to outstanding balance under the terms of the indemnity.

 

Further says a transfer to legal collections is also likely to result in less flexibility etc..

 

Please contact within 7 days.

 

FHere are some debt advice companies etc..yours sincerely.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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load of ole twaddle!

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yes much of it is twaddle.

 

CWD do appear to take court actions,

but mostly easy targets that don't respond to them.

 

As soon as people start making requests for UAE debt information in English e.g Credit card agreement, terms and conditions, default notice, UAE court actions if relevant etd, they seem to go quiet.

 

If they do manage to provide all information in English and the debt is enforceable in the UK, they become uniterested in accepting small regular payments being made and give up..

 

This is going by reading these threads for a few years.

 

Advice is to wait to see if CWD do write and if they do send a letter as explained.

We could do with some help from you.

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