New economic storm coming ?

Toby

Which might explain why Labour are currently leading in the polls. They did not win the election, but increase vote share and number of MP's.

I am pro markets and capitalism, but with proper regulation and the state playing a full part where it is sensible to do so. Brexit is actually part of putting Britain up for sale to the highest bidder. The EU needs reform, but it serves as a way of regulating markets and after Brexit a UK Government might struggle to regulate against powerfull global companies.

Originally Posted by unclebulgaria67

Toby
Which might explain why Labour are currently leading in the polls. They did not win the election, but increase vote share and number of MP's.

The only sane reason for that is May letting her social asset stripping policies out.

Corbyn is at least as Hard Brexit as May,
Is at least as untrustworthy
and has absolutely NO stated plan for dealing with Brexit, just like May

In fact, in reality the only differences between May and Corbyn seems to be that May promotes the interests of Businesses (whatever lies she might spin about for all), and Corbyn will promote the interests of refugees.

Neither has the interests of the British public at large in their hearts.
Neither has true democratic process in their hearts
Neither has honesty as their basis


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I am pro markets and capitalism, but with proper regulation and the state playing a full part where it is sensible to do so. Brexit is actually part of putting Britain up for sale to the highest bidder. The EU needs reform, but it serves as a way of regulating markets and after Brexit a UK Government might struggle to regulate against powerfull global companies.[/QUOTE]

and there's the other crunch.
Even if we do repeal the repeal and stay in the EU, that is not all honey and Roses either.

... But like Corbyn in Comparison to May in the recent election,
The EU is the least bad option available to us, and if we become a real part of it, we Brits still have it in us to change the world.

They've had 40 odd years to change the world I think people got a bit tired.

Originally Posted by determindator

They've had 40 odd years to change the world I think people got a bit tired.

But Europe has done really well over the 40 years.

Just think of the state it was in before say 1980. The Berlin wall came down in 1989, reunification of Germany, massive changes to countries that were previously under control of Soviet Union. Look at Poland, Slovakia, Romania, etc and look at how they have progressed.

The EU is still one of the best consumer markets in the world and inspires most of the world in many regards e.g luxury cars, fashion, high tech IT and engineering.

I think people have been brainwashed by newspapers to think the EU is mostly negative, when actually when you look at everything, there is a really positive story to tell.

People voted Brexit mainly due to immigration, but that has been a net gain economically for the UK.

Mr C tried negotiations on important issues and was not successful. How long do you go on being ignored whilst you're sending money back into the EU. It's funny how we can afford sending money when we have a 1.7 trill deficit. Funny type of economics.

Because the UK earns a shed load of money from being in the EU single market. City of London from memory performs over 50% of all Euro currency trading.

UK's net contribution to the EU is about £10 billion. UK benefits from EU membership a lot more than £10 billion.

You wait to see what Brexit deal is negotiated and it will include an ongoing annual contribution to the EU of billions for single market and tariff free customs area access. And the UK will probably have to pay a divorce bill to the EU as well of tens of billions. Not many people will be happy.

As time goes by Brexit will be seen as a farce and the country will turn against it.

Well if you can't convince the people in a big campaign to stay in the EU by just saying we get more from the EU than they do from us, it's a worry.

You should've run the campaign UB

Originally Posted by determindator

Mr C tried negotiations on important issues and was not successful.

Camerons negotiations to extend the UK financiers protection from EU regulations was entirely successful.

Shame he didn't try at all for some of the things that mattered to the British Joe Public.


Unc has (yet again) enlightened you regarding the financial realities.

Originally Posted by determindator

Well if you can't convince the people in a big campaign to stay in the EU by just saying we get more from the EU than they do from us, it's a worry.

You should've run the campaign UB

People believe leaving the EU means controlled migration. They will be disappointed.

Originally Posted by unclebulgaria67

People believe leaving the EU means controlled migration. They will be disappointed.

Some people even believed there would be countries by the score flocking to beg us to trade with them on terms that benefited the UK

Yet it seems those countries are all too busy banging on the EU's door ..
.. and of course we would have got those EU deals with those countries automatically

From what I've read about EU negotiations, G20 and so on, we're looking increasingly isolated and small.

Originally Posted by tobyjugg2

Unc has (yet again) enlightened you regarding the financial realities.

There is the right to reply you know, sorry if it's a bind

BTW you have to recognise banter

Originally Posted by tobyjugg2

Shame he didn't try at all for some of the things that mattered to the British Joe Public.

Quite.

One of the other reasons people voted against.

Originally Posted by determindator

Quite.

One of the other reasons people voted against.

There are so many issues which are being called reasons that people voted to leave the eu, but most of them seem to me that they should be laid directly at the feet of our own politicians, NOT at the feet of the EU.

Occams Razor carves a pointer straight at the atrocious and negligent remain campaign which allowed deception, misdirection and outright lies by Gove, Johnson et al to go unchallenged
- as being the major cause from which and on which all others were built.

It requires by far the least assumptions.


That ALL this was done to quiet a relatively small part of the Tory party beggars belief.





That those now proven liars remain in office is a growing stain on our nation and its standing in the world.

That our PM wanted all the 'negotiations' in secret a until it was too late to challenge those manipulations of our nation, and the her intent to use antiquated 'Royal Perogative' which has not been used by the actual monarchy for an age to bypass all scrutiny is a further stain.

What worth is their word in negotiations ?
What trust and good will do they deserve ?
- Zero

Banks are already starting to plan for EU/Euro related business to be done away from London.

http://news.sky.com/story/wall-stree...-unit-10952031

I don't think people quite realise the impact of City of London losing current business to other finance centres. By being in the EU, London is used as a major hub for EU/Euro finances. The tax income that UK treasury obtains from this business is likely to be sizeable. And it is the knock on effect, that once Banks and investors see Frankfurt or Paris as the places to carry out their transactions, London will lose more business.