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    Default Do the DWP take note of the WCA assessors recommendations?

    I've recently had my ESA WCA and at the end the assessor said he would be recommending i'm put in the middle group (WRAG i believe it's called).

    Just wondering do the DWP listen to these recommendations or do they totally disregard them?


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    Quote Originally Posted by EssexBoy11 View Post
    I've recently had my ESA WCA and at the end the assessor said he would be recommending i'm put in the middle group (WRAG i believe it's called).

    Just wondering do the DWP listen to these recommendations or do they totally disregard them?
    1, there is no real "middle group" as there are only 2 groups that you can be awarded following the WCA F2F farce, The SG (support Group) and WRAG (Work related activity ) Group,
    2, The DWP DM will 9 times of of 10 always will side with what the so-called charlatan acting as HCP , unless they have made an obvious mistake, if something isn't clear enough for the DM they may ring you for further info, but in general they usually accept what the HCP 's report over your and other evidence presented

    But i certainly wouldn't take the assessor at their word, as it isn't their decision or so they claim, Hopefully, for you, they will of been truthful to you, The DWP will let you know, which could be 4-6 weeks away as an average time scale, but it may be sooner or longer, depending on case load at the time in each area


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    Quote Originally Posted by tommy456 View Post
    1, there is no real "middle group" as there are only 2 groups that you can be awarded following the WCA F2F farce, The SG (support Group) and WRAG (Work related activity ) Group,
    2, The DWP DM will 9 times of of 10 always will side with what the so-called charlatan acting as HCP , unless they have made an obvious mistake, if something isn't clear enough for the DM they may ring you for further info, but in general they usually accept what the HCP 's report over your and other evidence presented

    But i certainly wouldn't take the assessor at their word, as it isn't their decision or so they claim, Hopefully, for you, they will of been truthful to you, The DWP will let you know, which could be 4-6 weeks away as an average time scale, but it may be sooner or longer, depending on case load at the time in each area
    Thanks for the reply, they said the group where you have to go work focused interviews etc so i'm guessing he meant WRAG. I'm hoping it'll be truthful as well but there is so much uncertainty with the system. Do you still receive payments while you wait for the decision as i need money for food etc?


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    As long as your medical certificates remain up to date, you'll still receive payments while you wait for the decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antone View Post
    As long as your medical certificates remain up to date, you'll still receive payments while you wait for the decision.
    I'm currently in the SG and have been for the past few years, sorry I should have said ESA reassessment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EssexBoy11 View Post
    I'm currently in the SG and have been for the past few years, sorry I should have said ESA reassessment.
    If you where is the SG and there's a possibility of being put in the WRAG , has you medical conditions improved significantly since your last assessment ? if not then many would suggest appealing if downgraded to the WRAG especially if you have evidence that backs up no significant improvements, it's a cut in money and a way they can cause you some degree of aggravation with the threat of a sanction if you refuse


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    Quote Originally Posted by EssexBoy11 View Post
    I'm currently in the SG and have been for the past few years, sorry I should have said ESA reassessment.
    Ah, I see. In that case you'll remain in the SG until the decision is made, and you'll still get paid at the SG rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antone View Post
    Ah, I see. In that case you'll remain in the SG until the decision is made, and you'll still get paid at the SG rate.
    Thank you, I just want to know the outcome right now as all this waiting is making me nervous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tommy456 View Post
    If you where is the SG and there's a possibility of being put in the WRAG , has you medical conditions improved significantly since your last assessment ? if not then many would suggest appealing if downgraded to the WRAG especially if you have evidence that backs up no significant improvements, it's a cut in money and a way they can cause you some degree of aggravation with the threat of a sanction if you refuse
    Improved a bit and i guess i could cope with been in WRAG, how do the Jobcentre treat people on ESA? Also is it possible the decision makericon will decide to keep me in the SG?

    Sorry about the late reply, i only just noticed your comment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EssexBoy11 View Post
    Improved a bit and i guess i could cope with been in WRAG, how do the Jobcentre treat people on ESA? Also is it possible the decision makericon will decide to keep me in the SG?

    Sorry about the late reply, i only just noticed your comment.
    The JC+ treat those on ESA WRAG in a similar way, although they can't mandate you to take a job or apply for one, but they have made use of the failed WP , which is being replaced with something more evil imo
    It's best avoided if possible, As for the DM making a favourable decision and keeping you in the SG yes that's possible, but the things you have to remember is that the DWP DM's aren't clinically trained they rely on evidence from others such as those who carry out the WCA But you will have a month from the date of the decision to request an MR and if that too fails can then go to a tribunal, where there tends to be a greater number of successes


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    Quote Originally Posted by tommy456 View Post
    The JC+ treat those on ESA WRAG in a similar way, although they can't mandate you to take a job or apply for one, but they have made use of the failed WP , which is being replaced with something more evil imo
    It's best avoided if possible, As for the DM making a favourable decision and keeping you in the SG yes that's possible, but the things you have to remember is that the DWP DM's aren't clinically trained they rely on evidence from others such as those who carry out the WCA But you will have a month from the date of the decision to request an MR and if that too fails can then go to a tribunal, where there tends to be a greater number of successes
    I've heard a lot of bad things about the WP and it's providers, whats it's going to be replaced with? I'm hoping i'll be put in SG again as the JC could end up making me worse again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EssexBoy11 View Post
    I've heard a lot of bad things about the WP and it's providers, whats it's going to be replaced with? I'm hoping i'll be put in SG again as the JC could end up making me worse again.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/w...nto-employment

    http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/11020/

    There are some successful FOIicon requests regarding this, as well, but it doesn't look at all good just more money wasted by government intent of persecuting the sick into working at any cost, Seems like they are taking money from one group and distributing it and more to other groups


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    Quote Originally Posted by tommy456 View Post
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/w...nto-employment

    http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewthread/11020/

    There are some successful FOIicon requests regarding this, as well, but it doesn't look at all good just more money wasted by government intent of persecuting the sick into working at any cost, Seems like they are taking money from one group and distributing it and more to other groups
    When they say work experience what they really mean is slave labour


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    Quote Originally Posted by EssexBoy11 View Post
    When they say work experience what they really mean is slave labour
    yup, a bit like the benefits cap, where they reduce benefits ,but if that claimant gets a job working as little as 16hrs a week they are entitled to more benefits, it's all down to this the LIN/LAB/CON shower trying to appease the tax payers with their fake statements about the number of unemployed and how well they have done in cutting those numbers , with stories about how they have helped them into work,

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommy456 View Post
    yup, a bit like the benefits cap, where they reduce benefits ,but if that claimant gets a job working as little as 16hrs a week they are entitled to more benefits, it's all down to this the LIN/LAB/CON shower of crooks trying to appease the tax payers with their fake statements about the number of unemployed and how well they have done in cutting those numbers , with lies about how they have helped them into work,
    The 3 main parties all look for ways to steal money from the poorest people in order to give it to their banker friends


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    I had a WCA just over a week ago now, is there a chance I'll hear from the DWP before this time next week? All this waiting is really affecting my nerves


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    Default Re: Do the DWP take note of the WCA assessors recommendations?

    My WCA was on 03.11.2016.

    My result was communicated to me by post on 31.01.2017. That was a 12 week wait.

    Sorry if my response was unhelpful


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    Quote Originally Posted by EssexBoy11 View Post
    I had a WCA just over a week ago now, is there a chance I'll hear from the DWP before this time next week? All this waiting is really affecting my nerves
    whilst it's entirely possible, it's probably unlikely that you will


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    Quote Originally Posted by theronstar View Post
    My WCA was on 03.11.2016.

    My result was communicated to me by post on 31.01.2017. That was a 12 week wait.

    Sorry if my response was unhelpful
    Thank you, it was helpful and damn 12 weeks is a long time. You must have been going out your mind waiting for the results


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    To be honest, I saw it as no news is good news.

    Until the result had come through, my jobsearch had been suspended.

    The assessor gave me 0 points and said that I was in good health.

    Somehow my several doctors letters did not count for anything!

    Anyway, I asked for a mandatory reconsideration on Wednesday so I have braced myself that I could be waiting up until June for a response.

    Their guideline response time is 21 days but it is better not to set myself up for an early response.



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