......about how private data from Facebook was used during the Brexit campaign.

re this? (posted by newsbot)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39171324

Once it becomes clearer what Brexit would mean for most ordinary people, i think you will see massive protests in cites across the UK and government will be forced to think again.

I think you are mistaken unc,

Despite all the rhetoric about 'the people have spoken', they aren't interested in what the people say, ONLY how they choose to interpret it.

Article 50 will be triggered, at which stage there are far too many agreements needed to undo that.

Then the 'deal' with the EU will be made just like Camerons 'renegotiation':

Nothing much but a few reciprocals for most, and tied in with that lots of special treatment for the Financiers etc.

and its then accept it all or get nothing, just like Camerons 'EU renegotiation'.

and as its all the lobbyists paymasters who will be the beneficiaries, the minor bits will be oversold and the benefits for the boys undersold - just like with Camerons 'renegotiation'.

So the deal will be be benefits for the boys - or nothing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6kQig9XUAAT0zt.jpg

Just about sums up Brexit. A voyage of discovery without any destination !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6kQig9XUAAT0zt.jpg

 

Just about sums up Brexit. A voyage of discovery without any destination !

and as Masy gets the OK to trigger article 50

Scotland announces a new independence referendum

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-scotland-russell-idUKKBN16K2GV

and Sinn Fein excalates NI referendum on leaving UK and reunification of Ireland in the EU supported by recent votes

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-nireland-idUKKBN16K28E

Which brings us some big steps nearer to the creation of The Fiefdoms of London (previously known as England and Wales ... unless Wales also jumps ..) ...

UNLESS Remain voting, multicultural and international trade dependent London secedes from the remnants of the UK and rejoins the EU as well ...

(They already know that OFFICIALLY being an international low tax haven wont pay enough as they already are the worlds unofficial NO tax haven)

which would leave errr Grantham??

(Not so far fetched as NEVER forget that only 30 odd percent of the UK actually voted leave)

and as Masy gets the OK to trigger article 50

Scotland announces a new independence referendum

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKBN16K2GV

and Sinn Fein excalates NI referendum on leaving UK and reunification of Ireland in the EU supported by recent votes

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKBN16K28E

Which brings us some big steps nearer to the creation of The Fiefdoms of London (previously known as England and Wales ... unless Wales also jumps ..) ...

UNLESS Remain voting, multicultural and international trade dependent London secedes from the remnants of the UK and rejoins the EU as well ...

(They already know that OFFICIALLY being an international LOW tax haven wont pay enough as they already are the worlds unofficial NO tax haven - why would they start paying tax?)

which would leave errr Grantham??

(Not so far fetched as NEVER forget that only 30 odd percent of the UK actually voted leave)

.. and how many millions of those leave voters voted based on the LIE of 350M a week extra for the NHS)

Mind you - probably little left of London anyway apart from Westminster

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-24/brexit-bulletin-bankers-threaten-exodus

What will almost certainly happen is that May will do her utmost to delay any Scot or Irish referendums in the hope that the EU is going to be hit by more countries leaving - or at least look like they might, so as to sway public opinion with risk that they would be leaving the UK into a collapsing block.

Might work too.

The UK leaving instead of leading change in the EU is a severe blow.

If the UK had driven positive and constructive change while a member instead of looking after the few, things could have been very different. If we do end up not leaving, our politicians approach and goals MUST be very different

and Mays hopes to divide and conquer Europe start to dissolve as the sugar coated hazards to health and wellbeing they are.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/mar/15/dutch-election-voters-go-to-the-polls-in-the-netherlands-live

Just demonstrates May is no Churchill.

Churchill brought nations together for historic victories.

Now wont it be interesting if vote leave has a case to answer

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/constitution/european-integration/news/80610/cps-investigate-leave-campaigners-%C2%A3350m-claims

and wont that be embarrassing for May relentlessly pursuing a Brexit that was garnered from illegal, rather than just immoral, manipulation?

What will almost certainly happen is that May will do her utmost to delay any Scot or Irish referendums...

the more May voices, the more it is the pretender

'precious union'....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-39281368

We don't want a 2nd referendum (well I don't, neither does anyone I know) Nicola Sturgeon can spout some garbage, she'll talk herself out of a job shortly.

We don't want a 2nd referendum (well I don't, neither does anyone I know) Nicola Sturgeon can spout some garbage, she'll talk herself out of a job shortly.

A lot of Scots I know don't want one either. They just want her to sort out the issues she promised to sort out.. eg Health and Education.

This was in the Guardian today.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/17/no-one-is-talking-about-it-has-sturgeon-misjudged-mood-for-independence?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=217901&subid=7192694&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

HB

This was in the Guardian today.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/17/no-one-is-talking-about-it-has-sturgeon-misjudged-mood-for-independence?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=217901&subid=7192694&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

 

HB

Think the articles pretty spot on HB, I never hear anyone talking about a 2nd referendum bar Nicola Sturgeon.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/17/no-one-is-talking-about-it-has-sturgeon-misjudged-mood-for-independence?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=217901&subid=7192694&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

Betty Reid, one of the pro-independence voters who also voted for Brexit, was still selling everything from fishing rods to rolling papers. But she has now changed her mind on independence. “Why leave the UK for someone else to tell us what to do?” she asked, which is a perfectly logical position awaiting a party to proclaim it. But she would not vote yes again. “I feel now we are not able to be self-sufficient. We’ve not got the industry.”

I like this statement from Betty Reid.

Its also interesting to see articles regarding Scotlands finances and the Sturgeon has overspent on Schools and Hospitals ..

What a darned disgrace when that money could have gone toward the English parliaments Trillions in supporting the bankers.

Particularly when a number of those banks are considering moving to Edinburgh if Scotland gets an EU deal - as they may once the EU are able to offer one ....

Think the articles pretty spot on HB, I never hear anyone talking about a 2nd referendum bar Nicola Sturgeon.

How much do you think the Scottish independence vote was affected by the selling point that an independent Scotland would NOT be a part of the EU, and would have to spend years applying with NO certainty of membership?

Because NOW there is a measure of certainty that they will be dragged out the EU if they remain part of the UK

No other option is certain.

Of course if the UK does not leave the EU, Sturgeon is rather scuppered.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39321579

Brexit will cause the care crisis to become worse, because any visa system for the workforce number required will make it worse. After Brexit EU care workers will be part of any visa system, therefore making it more difficult to retain/recruit staff. Given the estimate of 2 million extra care workers by 2025 in England alone, i can't see how net migration can be restricted to tens of thousands. Think about all of the other sectors of the economy needing to recruit.

If Brexit does cause the UK economy problems, then there could be even less money available for care. Government then might say that the plan to cap peoples care contributions to avoid selling their homes will be scrapped. Instead they might say that if people need to go into care homes, that if they cannot pay the fees, that they will have to sell their homes immediately and allow councils a charge against them.

Once reality starts to kick in sector by sector in the economy and people who voted leave start to be faced with consequences of their votes, then government will be under massive pressure to stop Brexit.

Once reality starts to kick in sector by sector in the economy and people who voted leave start to be faced with consequences of their votes, then government will be under massive pressure to stop Brexit.

But all they hear is 'will of the 37% of the UK populous who were conned into voting leave for many different reasons, pretty much none of which will come about.

May has apparently 'ruled out' a May 4th snap election to take advantage of the Labour parties final decent into meaningless nothingness

Labour corbynista minions say we should now give him two years rather than the one year that was originally stated needed for the the Carbuncle on the backside of the Labour party to ;turn around' the public's derision and distrust of him ....

So May the 4th probably isnt vote Mayday then. She should have done it BEFORE triggering article 50 - in fact when Cameron resigned. It gets untidier and more dishonest by the day.

and the EU says it quite clearly and rationally, unlike May and the Brexit crew continuing the Brexit campaigns utter BS,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/22/eus-chief-negotiator-sets-three-conditions-for-brexit-trade-talks-to-start

https://www.ft.com/content/e7c69670-0f0c-11e7-b030-768954394623

read carefully

Consider why there is so much investment through the UK, and why it WILL stop

http://uk.businessinsider.com/study-brexit-us-economic-impact-single-market-american-chamber-of-commerce-to-eu-report-2017-3?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral

and as the EU distances itself from an increasingly authoritarian Turkey (Erdogan), and Turkeys relations with Greece deteriorate even faster, ..

Boris Johnson attends a Turkey- UK summit, building relationships with our post EU potential major ally Turkey, untrustworthy as Turkey has repeatedly proven to be (what bwas it Johnson and Farage said about Tujrkey joining the EU !!!)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/27/tensions-flare-greece-turkey-answer-provocation-erdogan

What was that about a free trade with Turkey and Turkeys citizens getting expedited access to the UK?

Ah well - plenty of arms sales if Turkey ends up at war with the EU and splits NATO completely.

Putin must be well pleased

Brexit and Farage/Banks - Russias floating emissaries

Trump elected and turning America inside out

and Now Turkey potentially splitting NATO in exchange for some territory in the North of Syria now the US coalition has failed to seat Turkeys AL Nusra in control over Syria.

Rudd turning the UK into a police state (Putin says 'told you it was the way to go')

Jesus really would weep

lets take a quick review of the possibleissues and drivers surrounding the upcoming by elections in Stoke and Copeland

 

 

The Headline issues are

NHS

Tories

Tory candidate has said she is 100% against the downgrading ofthe local hospital, BUT Teressa May has repeatedly avoided confirming any support for her candidates stance even in her visit there to 'support' that Tory candidate. Which seems to clearly show that the NHS will get continued cuts from the Tories and the local hospital will be downgraged. No last minute 'announcement' should be trusted any more than UKIP lies regarding their intent for healthcare.

 

UKIP

Have long standing full blown shut down/privatise policies which are changed very temporarily (they lie) if its in their interest to do so.

 

Labour

Support for NHS is part and parcel of the Labour ethos as stated - but with Corbyn - who knows what that will be. Corbyn has had the sense to stay away and not drag the none- Corbyn local labour selection (unlike May).

 

Lib Dems

probably the most rational and coherent policies on supporting the Energy/Nuclear and the NHS and healthcare

 

 

Brexit or Bremain

 

Tories

- With Maybe Maybenot who knows what we will get - but probably hard brexit with some bits for the rich and privileged (and maybe International car manufacturers and International bankers)

 

Ukip

a subset of What the Tories offer AT BEST - and they LIE.

Labour

Whatever the Tories want they will support except for 'moral objections'

 

Lib Dems

Anti Hard Brexit. anti Brexit

 

 

 

Nuclear energy

Tories

Yes as long as someone else pays (oe at least someone else who we can give unlimited taxpayer funds to so they can say someone else is paying).Toshiba in this case. So the Tories are hiving off our energy utilities and current and future tax payers money to foreign interests

BUT look at the massive problems Toshiba and EDF are having with their nuclear energy businesses - EDF and Toshiba are proving consistantly unable to meet their nuclear commitments around the world)

 

Labour

Corbyn is 100% anti-nuclear in all its forms - and pro disarmament in an increasingly dangerous world - but has no real plans for acheivable alternatives

 

UKIP

You simply cant believe a word they say.

 

Lib Dems

For nuclear energy, 'broadly' against weapons and nuclear armament escalation. May be far more 'UK owned nuclear positive' than the Tories

 

 

 

 

So if your overwhelming issue is:

(provided the voting is based on informed logic (fat chance) rather than emotive rhetoric)

Bremain = Lib Dems

 

BREXIT = Tories (with some deals for the fortunate) or UKIP (just tell 'em to FO)

 

Support The NHS = LibDems or Labour

 

Destroy the NHS = UKIP

 

Nuclear+ - its a vote for Libdems or Tory (but more/all owned by foreigners with the Tories)

 

No Nuclear- = Labour

 

 

Mix and matches

 

Privatise/end NHS and end Healthcare and Hardest Brexit = UKIP

Slower Privatisation/erosion of NHS and Hard Brexit = Tories

Nuclear+ AND Brexit+ = Tories

NHS+ AND Brexit+ = Labour

NHS+ and Bremain+ = Lib DemsNuclear+ AND the NHS+ = Lib Dems

 

Multi-choice

 

Like people who BS and Lie enough to make all the others seem like saints = UKIP

else

 

Nuclear+ and continued NHS erosion/privatisation and Brexit = Tories

No Nuclear and NHS+ and Brexit = Labour

Nuclear+ and NHS+ and Brexit+ = No real option

Nuclear power+ and NHS+ and Bremain+ = Lib Dems

 

 

Outcome issues for parties

 

Will be a disaster for UKIP in this heavy Brexit vote area if they lose votes, or even dont win. and with the proven LIES and nothing to offer - they should be boycotted

 

Will be a disaster for Labour if they lose both by elections

 

Will be a massive statement by the public if LibDems win even 1, or even gain LARGE voter %

 

Tory losses will be further damnation on the may government that:

Is not elected and hence has NO mandate

 

 

Cant argue too much with this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-labour-by-elections-paul-nuttall-ukip-tony-blair-a7587371.html

See above highlighted and underlined:

and Toshiba westinghouse nuclear files for chapter 11

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-toshiba-accounting-idUSKBN16X12P

Did you read this article in Huffington post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ipso-rulings-media-eu_uk_58d27bbfe4b0f838c62e298b