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    As the DUP pile on the pressure - THEY have plenty of time

    "Following more than an hour of talks between May and DUP leader Arlene Foster on Tuesday, May said the discussion had been productive and Foster said she hoped a deal could be done "sooner rather than later"."


    While the chancellor (who was to have been sackedicon if May had won her gamble) says 'For Gods sake, we cant leave the EU and the EU trade deals because there aint any others worth having ...

    "Philip Hammond would push May not to leave the customs union - an arrangement which guarantees tariff-free trade within the bloc but prohibits members from striking third-party trade deals. "


    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKBN19430T


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    UK economics helping businesses should be main priority. 52% of people did not vote to damage the country. They expect Government to ensure that the economy is not put at risk by the Brexit deal agreed with the EU. If that means staying in single market and customs union, then that would be supported by a majority. Of course some won't be happy, but they are a minority.


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    The issue of any Border being put into place has to be decided first with any agreement between the DUP and the tories


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    Quote Originally Posted by obiter dictum View Post
    The issue of any Border being put into place has to be decided first with any agreement between the DUP and the tories
    Possibly, but theres alsways scope for 'misunderstanding'.



    Quote Originally Posted by unclebulgaria67 View Post
    UK economics helping businesses should be main priority. 52% of people did not vote to damage the country. They expect Government to ensure that the economy is not put at risk by the Brexit deal agreed with the EU. If that means staying in single market and customs union, then that would be supported by a majority. Of course some won't be happy, but they are a minority.
    But May appears to be doing her best to ensure any bridges SHE doesn't want crossing are well and truly burnt.
    ... and unlike everything else, she seems to be doing that quite well..


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    Oh and if anyone things Osbourne not getting sackedicon things that a more 'progressive' 'business and economy friendly' Brexit is on the cards - think again

    Osbournes cabal is actually worse than May and only interested in protecting the financiers business at everyone elses expense.
    May at least was trying to deliver what the British public actually voted for in a break with the EU, not just the public just paying for financiers EU benefits.


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    Am of the opinion if this deal with the DUP fails, which me thinks it will due to Adams, Brexit is dead in the water


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    Quote Originally Posted by obiter dictum View Post
    Am of the opinion if this deal with the DUP fails, which me thinks it will due to Adams, Brexit is dead in the water
    Wish it were true od, but both Corbyn and a powerful Tory group want brexit. The Torys just want it with benefits for the financiers.

    Given the poor showing by the libdems, which everyone will say is 'everbody supports Brexit, rather than 'everybody fears May and her policies more as an immediate threat'




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    one of the REAL drivers for Tory Brexit stances


    https://www.theguardian.com/business...-tax-avoidance


    "It is possible the regulations will never be adopted by the UK. However, if Britain negotiates to remain part of the single market, it would be subject to the same tax and financial regulation as full members of the union."


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    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/w...-brussels.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/w...=80833938&te=1

    Day 1

    Brexit: UK caves in to EU demand to agree divorceicon bill before trade talks

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...re-trade-talks


    British negotiators have capitulated to key European demands for a phased approach to Brexit talks, agreeing to park discussions on free trade until they have thrashed out the cost of the multibillion-euro UK divorce settlement.

    "Putting a brave face on a concession that may further strengthen the tactical dominance of the EU, the Brexit secretary, David Davis, insisted his initial retreat remained consistent with long-term government strategy.

    Previously Davis had threatened to turn the issue into the “row of the summer” in a bid to avoid being held to ransom over the divorce settlement."


    Ireland:


    "Hopes for swift progress on the issue of the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic were dashed when the joint negotiators revealed it would no longer be in the first wave of their working groups, but would be subject to a separate, slower dialogue."

    "as long as controlling migration remains at the core of Britain’s position, backed by both Mrs. May’s Conservatives and the opposition Labour Party, continuing access to the single market would seem to be impossible."




    Most telling:
    "In contrast to well-rehearsed EU positions on issues such as the financial settlement and Irish borders, British officials admit they did not bring any prepared negotiating papers to share with their counterparts – insisting instead that their overall ambitions were made clear by the government’s white paper and Lancaster House speech."

    But the two later published agreed “terms of reference” that made no mention of trade. Davis put a brave face on their relative lack of progress during a joint press conference where he sought to channel historic moments of national adversity.

    EU policy papers
    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/publ...egotiations_en



    Day 1 Terms of Reference (so far)
    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...european-union

    Terms of Reference Summary:

    The following initial negotiating groups have been established:
     Citizens' rights;
     Financial Settlement;
     Other Separation issues.

    In addition, a dialogue on Ireland / Northern Ireland has been launched
    under the authority of the Coordinators.





    Mays stances (to date)

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ave-we-learned
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-as-a-strategy


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    DUP deal scuppered leaving Torys even more reliant on Corbyn for Brexit
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...w-some-respect

    Tory rebels were set to scupper hard Brexit anyway unless Corbyn scuppered (scuppers?) the Tory rebels
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKBN19B3A7

    But what worth a 'soft' Brexit that only really benefits our corrupt international bankers?
    Well the EU hopefully has that well in hand unless May or her successor manage to save our corrupt Financiers and continue their protection from the EU regs DESPITE
    The bankers (UK and EU)
    Trump (unlikely to change his mind on this)
    and the UK

    From 2013
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-22164384

    bit technical from 2014
    https://ec.europa.eu/jrc/en/news/ass...tory-framework

    2016
    http://www.cbronline.com/news/vertic...anking-4924138


    and the Bankers squeal like stuck pigs - as they should be
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKBN17R1P9


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    I think the DUP recognise just how important they are to TM's plans and are not making things easy for her - it was a foregone conclusion that they would have a shopping list that it is not going to be possible to agree to.


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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-brexit-status


    EU citizens in Britain to be asked to register for post-Brexit status

    Ministers planning stocktake of Europeans living in the UK to gauge demand for residency applications

    The government is preparing to announce a registration process for the estimated 3 million EU citizens living in the UK, as a first step towards regularising their legal status post-Brexit.

    It is understood ministers will unveil plans inviting all EU citizens to officially “register their interest” in acquiring documentation allowing them to live and work in the country after 2019 when Britain is scheduled to leave the European bloc.

    The government is hoping the stocktaking exercise will help it understand the scale of the demand for residency applications once Britain leaves the EU and prevent an overwhelming avalanche of applications on Brexit day.

    The registration process is expected to be part of a new scheme tailor-made for EU citizens already living in the UK.


    It will not be linked to the current and controversial permanent residency process, which requires applicants to submit mountains of paperwork to demonstrate they have a right to remain in the country.

    There is no legal obligation for EU citizens to apply for residency cards, but many have been panicked into applying for the document as they see it as the only way to prove their status after Brexit takes effect.
    Have other European countries put in place something to protect UK citizens living and working there - especially as one of the moans from Europe appears to only be concerned with those Europeans living / working in the UK ?


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    I think the DUP recognise just how important they are to TM's plans and are not making things easy for her - it was a foregone conclusion that they would have a shopping list that it is not going to be possible to agree to.
    So the Torys just stall to try to get the queens speech passed without the 'social blight' policies mentioned but that they will hope to implement in the more normal stealth method.

    Now, wouldn't it be just something if the other Irish side decide that in this case, justified by the potential impact on the Irish balance, they decide to quite justifiably break their standing policy and come and vote against May in Parliament.
    Talk about poetic justice ...


    Reuters thinks that given the complete disarray, the repeal of the EU repeal bill is a now a major possibility.
    Particularly if the Tory remain and business lobby groups unite. Although that would presumably mean that labour would need to get Corbyn to shift his policy.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKBN19B3A7

    "If such a scenario is looming, they would have the numbers to pass an amendmenticon to the EU repeal bill ... cancelling (it)," the BBC's political editor Nicholas Watt said, citing senior Conservatives.

    I think Corbyn would block that.


    and Given:


    * The shambolic and completely unprepared start to the Brexit negotiations by the British side
    (They obviously expected a hard no deal Brexit and were just going to waffle on pretending otherwise)

    * The similarly shambolic Tory approach to the negotiations with the DUP - reported by the DUP (link higher up thread)

    * The similary shambolic sound bites with absolutely NO substance from Labour

    PLUS

    The complete split in the country along at least 3 or 4 fracture lines, which will NOT be healed by:

    * Either a hard Brexit which leaves the country far poorer - apart from the mega rich who use it as a tax haven

    * or a soft Brexit that just leaves Britain with immigrants, EU law and EU payments (all the pain, none of the gain - because there was NO GAIN in Brexit)

    Its one completel mess thats just getting worse by the minute.



    The 10 Brexit compromises Theresa May won't talk about

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sa-may-britain




    and regarding your other point CB, dont forget its the EU that has always insisted that citizens rights (both EU and UK) are dealt with FIRST, and have proven they meant it in the first day of negotiations

    May and Daffy wanted to use them as hostages.

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    Default Re: Article 50 Discussion

    Just a thought

    - people do realise that Corbyns policies put the UK more in alignment with French and German government policies

    - dont they?


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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenB View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-brexit-status

    Have other European countries put in place something to protect UK citizens living and working there - especially as one of the moans from Europe appears to only be concerned with those Europeans living / working in the UK ?

    There you go CB
    May's bluff well and truly called

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...britons-europe


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    and Brexit voting farming areas already seeing the issues they generated
    Farms hit by labour shortage as migrant workers shun 'racist' UK



    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...shun-racist-uk


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    Default Re: Article 50 Discussion

    Without going with the usual rabid dog politics of the people voted, One Gnawing question remains. What legal authority does the present Government have in triggering Article 50?

    The reason I ask this is that the Referendum bill was advisory only. At no time was it stated the result will be incorporated into law.

    Any takers on this one?



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