I think the DUP recognise just how important they are to TM's plans and are not making things easy for her - it was a foregone conclusion that they would have a shopping list that it is not going to be possible to agree to.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/20/eu-citizens-in-britain-to-be-asked-to-register-for-post-brexit-status

 

EU citizens in Britain to be asked to register for post-Brexit status

 

Ministers planning stocktake of Europeans living in the UK to gauge demand for residency applications

 

The government is preparing to announce a registration process for the estimated 3 million EU citizens living in the UK, as a first step towards regularising their legal status post-Brexit.

 

It is understood ministers will unveil plans inviting all EU citizens to officially “register their interest” in acquiring documentation allowing them to live and work in the country after 2019 when Britain is scheduled to leave the European bloc.

 

The government is hoping the stocktaking exercise will help it understand the scale of the demand for residency applications once Britain leaves the EU and prevent an overwhelming avalanche of applications on Brexit day.

 

The registration process is expected to be part of a new scheme tailor-made for EU citizens already living in the UK.

 

 

It will not be linked to the current and controversial permanent residency process, which requires applicants to submit mountains of paperwork to demonstrate they have a right to remain in the country.

 

There is no legal obligation for EU citizens to apply for residency cards, but many have been panicked into applying for the document as they see it as the only way to prove their status after Brexit takes effect.

 

Have other European countries put in place something to protect UK citizens living and working there - especially as one of the moans from Europe appears to only be concerned with those Europeans living / working in the UK ?

I think the DUP recognise just how important they are to TM's plans and are not making things easy for her - it was a foregone conclusion that they would have a shopping list that it is not going to be possible to agree to.

So the Torys just stall to try to get the queens speech passed without the 'social blight' policies mentioned but that they will hope to implement in the more normal stealth method.

Now, wouldn't it be just something if the other Irish side decide that in this case, justified by the potential impact on the Irish balance, they decide to quite justifiably break their standing policy and come and vote against May in Parliament.

Talk about poetic justice ...

Reuters thinks that given the complete disarray, the repeal of the EU repeal bill is a now a major possibility.

Particularly if the Tory remain and business lobby groups unite. Although that would presumably mean that labour would need to get Corbyn to shift his policy.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-rebels-idUKKBN19B3A7

"If such a scenario is looming, they would have the numbers to pass an amendment to the EU repeal bill ... cancelling (it)," the BBC's political editor Nicholas Watt said, citing senior Conservatives.

I think Corbyn would block that.

and Given:

* The shambolic and completely unprepared start to the Brexit negotiations by the British side

(They obviously expected a hard no deal Brexit and were just going to waffle on pretending otherwise)

* The similarly shambolic Tory approach to the negotiations with the DUP - reported by the DUP (link higher up thread)

* The similary shambolic sound bites with absolutely NO substance from Labour

PLUS

The complete split in the country along at least 3 or 4 fracture lines, which will NOT be healed by:

* Either a hard Brexit which leaves the country far poorer - apart from the mega rich who use it as a tax haven

* or a soft Brexit that just leaves Britain with immigrants, EU law and EU payments (all the pain, none of the gain - because there was NO GAIN in Brexit)

Its one completel mess thats just getting worse by the minute.

The 10 Brexit compromises Theresa May won't talk about

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/19/10-brexit-compromises-theresa-may-britain

and regarding your other point CB, dont forget its the EU that has always insisted that citizens rights (both EU and UK) are dealt with FIRST, and have proven they meant it in the first day of negotiations

May and Daffy wanted to use them as hostages.

Just a thought

- people do realise that Corbyns policies put the UK more in alignment with French and German government policies

- dont they?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/20/eu-citizens-in-britain-to-be-asked-to-register-for-post-brexit-status

 

Have other European countries put in place something to protect UK citizens living and working there - especially as one of the moans from Europe appears to only be concerned with those Europeans living / working in the UK ?

There you go CB

May's bluff well and truly called

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/22/theresa-may-match-eu-offer-free-movement-britons-europe

and Brexit voting farming areas already seeing the issues they generated

Farms hit by labour shortage as migrant workers shun 'racist' UK

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/22/farms-hit-by-labour-shortage-as-migrant-workers-shun-racist-uk

Without going with the usual rabid dog politics of the people voted, One Gnawing question remains. What legal authority does the present Government have in triggering Article 50?

The reason I ask this is that the Referendum bill was advisory only. At no time was it stated the result will be incorporated into law.

Any takers on this one?

Without going with the usual rabid dog politics of the people voted, One Gnawing question remains. What legal authority does the present Government have in triggering Article 50?

 

The reason I ask this is that the Referendum bill was advisory only. At no time was it stated the result will be incorporated into law.

 

Any takers on this one?

I think this question was asked before, OD - and there were no takers

It is something that has puzzled me as well - Cameron just upped and left after the votes were counted - I guess either right or wrong, it was just assumed that the Referendum was meant to be taken seriously.

If he didnt mean for it to be taken seriously, why did he not stay and deal with the outcome - tell people that it was just advisory and that he would work harder to get changes made within Europe as a Member of the club ?

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?476774-Theresa-May-to-seek-snap-election-for-8-June&p=5038454&viewfull=1#post5038454

I think tobyjugg answers your question on the other thread...

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?476774-Theresa-May-to-seek-snap-election-for-8-June&p=5038454&viewfull=1#post5038454

 

I think tobyjugg answers your question on the other thread...

This election, in fact any election and most politics for the foreseeable future is intimately tied into Brexit.

I;m no legal expert, but it seems to me Hard Brexit is a fact in 18 moths unless something else is negotiated in the meantime.

More fudging.

Without going with the usual rabid dog politics of the people voted, One Gnawing question remains. What legal authority does the present Government have in triggering Article 50?

 

The reason I ask this is that the Referendum bill was advisory only. At no time was it stated the result will be incorporated into law.

 

Any takers on this one?

We might call them lying, self serving toerags, but other countries call them lawmakers.

They pass a bill - job done - as was the case with Corbym whipping the gutless Labour MP's to support Mays bill.

Some figures from a top Tory on some of the projected costs/losses to the UK of Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/03/service-industry-warns-of-brexit-damage

* 400,000 jobs

* UK trade falling by between £67bn and £92bn a year even in the event of a free trade deal

and thats 'just' the services industry - the largest industry in the UK.

and from the Tory chancellor

- no wonder May wanted rid of him, as well as rid of his predecessor

We haven't even started to see figures for the impact to agriculture and Farming yet although they are being hit HARD by even the relatively small reduction in immigrant labour so far.

Old article and would be described by leavers as part of project fear.

Brexit will hurt economy and many who support are not bothered. They might if their pensions and investments were at risk.

Old article and would be described by leavers as part of project fear.

 

Brexit will hurt economy and many who support are not bothered. They might if their pensions and investments were at risk.

yes but the evidence is now showing and even Hammond is showing it.

£122 Billion increased borrowing (more debt passed on to future governments) attributable to Brexit - and that doesn't include the £1Billion DUP payday.

The simple facts of reductions in those terrible migrant benefit claiming immigrant workers, both skilled and unskilled

- all looking elsewhere without the UK government having to pass a single law and impacting the farmers profits who didnt want them - until now.

The shambolic clueless 'negotiating' of May and Davies which clearly indicate they have no preparation, and had no plan apart from drag it out in secret until hard Brexit

Dont forget May wanted this all done in secret - its the the EU said NO our citizens must be informed.

The utter certainty that the EU will carry out its declared and clear stances, it has taken the time so far to become prepared and very very ready - unlike our side.

The EU says: - state your opening position

May/Davies says: - we want our cake and your cake and we want to eat it too.

The EU says: Seriously, tell us your position so we can start negotiating and work together to make the best we can of this terrible situation.

A week or two later May/Davies says: - we want our cake and your cake and we want to eat it too.

The EU says: - That is not going to happen as you should know. Let us know when you have something to say worth listening too. Time is ticking on.

In the meantime we are preparing for your apparently proffered hard Brexit and moving UK based functions to the EU. There are many countries who will love the business.

It is proving much easier than we thought it would be.

I suggest you make your arrangements to deal with these issues and inform your citizens as we do.

Adieu

https://qz.com/1011131/happy-birthday-brexit-one-year-later-and-its-still-unclear-what-brexit-really-means/?utm_source=YPL&yptr=yahoo

Brexit is the biggest mismanaged mistake since Suez.

http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/brexit/five-reasons-to-expect-a-softer-brexit-and-another-five-that-say-plan-for-worst/ar-BBD0YF8

http://www.cityam.com/251776/leaked-government-documents-reveal-75bn-cost-hard-brexit

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-jeremy-corbyn-not-theresa-154200281.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-23/brexit-bulletin-hammond-autumn-statement-to-outline-cost-of-vote

EU citizens in the UK aren't happy about the Maybot's 'generous' offer. They're leaving already.

Article in the Guardian on Brexodus. What were the government thinking?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/29/brexodus-eu-nationals-citizenship-uk-brexit

EU citizens in the UK aren't happy about the Maybot's 'generous' offer. They're leaving already.

 

Article in the Guardian on Brexodus. What were the government thinking?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/29/brexodus-eu-nationals-citizenship-uk-brexit

The easy answer is 'Brexit means Brexit'

What we really need to understand is this would appear to be what people voted Brexit for in large numbers.

Did 99% of those who voted Brexit vote to end immigration? Even though we now know that much of the permanent immigration has nothing to do with the EU?

Who knows, but I dont think for a second that was the case.

I'm going to repeat it yet again -

The ONLY thing that gives Brexit as served at the referendum (Brexit means Brexit) - is Hard Brexit

I have absolutely no doubts that Brexit with deals for the Financiers and under ECJ while everyone else pays similar actual fees as we do now but without the membership and benefits is NOT what was voted for.

I am also certain that Brexit with free movement, EU Law and fees isn't what was voted for,

If people dont want that - then write to your MP. A few million letters or a 20 million signature petition might do something.

Old article and would be described by leavers as part of project fear.

Ireland says dozen City firms and banks to set up in Dublin over Brexit

 

Brexit will hurt economy and many who support are not bothered. They might if their pensions and investments were at risk.

Japanese bank Nomura chooses Frankfurt for EU headquarters after UK's withdrawal

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-nomura-bank-relocates-frankfurt-eu-headquarters-european-base-london-city-germany-a7802081.html

Ireland says dozen City firms and banks to set up in Dublin over Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/29/ireland-says-dozen-london-based-banks-to-relocate-to-dublin-over-brexit

We should know more by the end of next month

and Corbyn shows his true colours

Corbyn sacks three frontbenchers after single market vote

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/29/jeremy-corbyn-sacks-three-frontbenchers-after-single-market-vote?

"Andy Slaughter, Catherine West and Ruth Cadbury voted for amendment calling for UK to stay in EU single market"

"A fourth frontbencher, Daniel Zeichner, the MP for pro-remain Cambridge, stepped down as shadow transport minister before the vote, arguing that he had to back the position on principle."

The amendment attracted the support of 101 MPs across different parties, including 49 Labour politicians who defied the leadership. It called for the government not to leave the EU without a deal, to guarantee a parliamentary vote on the final outcome of negotiations

There has to be a Parliamentary vote on the outcome of negotiations as well as another Referendum if we have access to the single market or customs union.

It is contained within the European Union Act 2011

Wjy are people not even mentioning this in our media?

There has to be a Parliamentary vote on the outcome of negotiations as well as another Referendum if we have access to the single market or customs union.

 

It is contained within the European Union Act 2011

 

Wjy are people not even mentioning this in our media?

Because acts can be repealed.

Dont forget Cameron said it was a simple in/out referendum (either repeal or just notify then leave if the vote was leave)

Even ignoring the blatant misrepresentations like the 'vote leave and get 350M a week extra for the NHS,

The rhetoric, almost exclusively if not entirely exclusively from the leave campaigns including senior party politicians = also sold a leave vote as a bargaining chip for better terms.

At that point the referendum was compromised. It was no longer a simple in/out vote as sold, as initially presented, and as offered on the ballot paper.

Its just got worse since.

and as Gove adds to the mountain of Tory openly declared stances that will force a Hard Brexit no matter what

Britain says will move to control EU fishing in its waters

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-bill-idUKKBN19M3UX

May appears to be falling back on last resorts to ensure hard Brexit rather than going to the people and listening to what they really want

May could walk out of Brexit talks over exit bill - Telegraph

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-bill-idUKKBN19M3UX

For any who still had doubts - hopefully you are all beginning to see that a Hard Brext was always intended.

The only issue was whether negotiations got the financiers special treatment from the EU.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-vote-leave-director-dominic-cummings-leave-eu-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html?amp

Never ceases to amaze me, how we have the blind leading the blind. 52% of the population decide they would quite like being lemmings and will just see how it goes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-vote-leave-director-dominic-cummings-leave-eu-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html?amp

 

Never ceases to amaze me, how we have the blind leading the blind. 52% of the population decide they would quite like being lemmings and will just see how it goes.

Good Headline Unc,

Brexit: Vote Leave chief who created £350m NHS claim on bus admits leaving EU could be 'an error'

Dominic Cummings also described the referendum as a 'dumb idea' - shaping up to be a 'guaranteed debacle'

I think rather than lemmings, it should be described as

'all those people who followed those shouting 'free lunch this way' 'free lunch this way',

while those who were doing the shouting had their mates run the crowd picking all their pockets.

This is worth a read too from the rational side

http://www.cer.eu/insights/britain-prepares-softer-brexit

and from the very less than rational side

Brexit: Minister appointed to negotiate Britain's withdrawal wants European Union 'wholly torn down'

Exclusive: Steve Baker MP makes comments at right-wing Libertarian Alliance conference in 2010

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-european-union-eu-steve-baker-theresa-may-wholly-torn-down-libertarian-alliance-a7820721.html

as Japan moves closer to not needing Car manufacturing in the UK with potential devastating impacts to employment and sales for UK car industry

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/04/business/economy/eu-japan-trade-g20-trump.html?emc=edit_mbe_20170706&nl=morning-briefing-europe&nlid=80833938&te=1

The European Union and Japan have signaled that they plan to announce a broad agreement on trade on Thursday

Ambitious free and fair trade deal in the making,” Donald Tusk, the president of the European Union, tweeted on Monday.

Among other things, the pact would eliminate a 10 percent duty that the E.U. imposes on Japanese car imports, while removing obstacles that European automakers face in Japan.

Article 50 process legally flawed and may be subject to further court cases.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-article-50-technical-flaw-national-assembly-wales-baroness-eluned-morgan-a7826116.html