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I pay smpl on Morgage but they are Acenden now.

 

I've just sent them a Sar in the hope of reclaiming charges as I know I was in arrears about 7 or more years ago with capstone what's my chance of success here?

 

I've just noticed they have cashed the cheque and £10 has been credited to my Morgage account.

 

Is this normal practise?

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the rest are all linked but not GE money

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi

 

I pay smpl on Morgage but they are Acenden now.

 

I've just sent them a Sar in the hope of reclaiming charges as I know I was in arrears about 7 or more years ago with capstone what's my chance of success here?

 

I've just noticed they have cashed the cheque and £10 has been credited to my Morgage account.

 

Is this normal practise?

 

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They can actually do what they like with the £10.00 as long as they :-

 

a) fulfil the request for your Subject Access Request within the specified time of 40 calendar days and

b) do not try to say that you have made a payment to your account.

 

It is an unsolicited gift from them to you.

 

You might want to drop them a quick note along the lines of.

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

Subject Access Request DATED

Account references...

Name

 

On DATE, I sent a Subject Access Request to your Data Controller. Enclosed with that request was the legally required fee of £10.00.

 

It has been noticed that you have applied that fee to the mortgage account - I would remind you that the fee was for the Subject Access Request onlyand for no other purpose and you are obliged to provide that to me within 40 calendar days.

 

Please confirm that you have made a gift of £10.00 to the mortgage account and are in the process of providing the Data I have made a legal request for.

 

Regards,

 

CruzHughes

Keep an eye on the date so know when you need to start jumping up and down if they don't provide the data on time.

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Brill thanks.

 

Are they known to to provide data on time?

 

This Morgage has 10 years left to run and I had not realised its interest only.

 

I still owe 70 grand

 

when I first bought house it was for around 45.

So as you can imagine I need to find out what's gone on..

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I have no knowledge of this company and their response times to SAR requests. Perhaps have a quick look at other threads where someone might have sent SAR to them.

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Getting any money out of Acenden is an uphill battle, but it's always worth having a go. Let us know when you get the SAR info back and we can advise further.

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Yep sadly that's about par for these fleecers

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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You are not the only one they have done this to.

Applied the wrong repayment figure.

Get ready to complain to the Financial Ombudsman Service when you have your documents from Acenden.

 

Acenden is a "mortgage servicing platform" that was bought out of administration in 2015 by the global equity group BlackRock (from the Lehman Brothers liquidators PwC).

 

SPML is no longer, since early 2009, the beneficiary of the legal charge (the mortgage) of any SPML-originated mortgages.

 

Eurosail is a Special Purpose Vehicle created by Lehman Brothers

- there are several Eurosails

- to which SPML "sold" its mortgage assets, all of them,

while retaining the ownership of the "title" (the brand, as it were)

because the sales were not "perfected" except in the case,

apparently, of second-charge mortgages:

 

 

these Barclays Bank required the sales to be perfected, if it was to continue providing payment processing facilities.

Eurosail is the beneficiary of the legal charge.

 

Acenden will probably fulfil your SAR quite quickly but may omit stuff that makes them look bad.

 

Edited to add:

you can verify all this, above, by reference to documents lodged at the Irish Stock Exchange and available on-line.

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Capstone was Acenden's old name.

I think you probably paid SPML, not Capstone.

 

 

You are doing the right thing, starting now.

 

 

Someone else on this forum didn't start until one month before the end of the term of the mortgage,

and he had most of it still to repay (because they had applied the wrong repayment figure).

Which was probably too late.

 

 

You can start collecting all the information you will need: eg bank statements

- if you no longer have these, ask your bank for copies. (Bank may charge for this.)

 

Also recommended is making a screen capture every day of your loan account page on the Acenden web site.

 

 

They do sometimes double-charge and, unless you have contemporaneous details of when that happened and how much, it would be almost impossible to prove it later.

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It's ridiculous

there's £268.00 going in and £234. Going straight back out in interest?!

 

I can go back to 2007 cos I changed banks and I've been with the same bank since then.

I don't live there anymore.

 

But I want to gets all the facts straight before I go to solicitors to sort financial side out with ex.

 

As she seems to have run up an awful lot of debt in my name and she thinks I haven't a clue.

 

Gathering a lot of evidence over a good few things at the moment and its frying my brain.

Have a look at my other threads. :!::shock:

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Hmm,

so they expect you to pay for a certified copy of your own signature

- in what other way have you had dealings with this company?

 

 

Because they will only require proof of your identity if they have not had any dealings with you for a long period.

If they have provided any other sensitive information to you over the past say, 18 months then they are stalling ?

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Weird ain't it??

I rang them the other week to query arrears and they send statements to my adresss regularly

and have done so each time I moved after I left marital home house with mortgage on.

 

 

How do I word that they don't need my signature to proceed with my straightforward sar request?

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Well My honest opinion (and this will be disagreed with) is that it is perfectly acceptable for them to ask for ID in my thoughts.

Page 19 - Booklet below.

subject-access-code-of-practice.pdf

 

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if you read the sar thread in its entirety

its advisable to list your old addresses

and

include a copy of your current CTAX demand as proof of who & where you are now.

 

you must sign an SAR too

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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It's ridiculous

there's £268.00 going in and £234. Going straight back out in interest?!

 

Save your anger and energy for extracting yourself from Acenden. They seem to have done this sort of thing to thousands, and from what I have seen to me it looks like deliberate policy not honest error. Anyway, you are not expected to be a financial wizard checking their figures; they are obliged by law to get it right first time and never get it wrong. But it may entail a lot of work on your part.

 

When you have the information from Acenden - in particular the audit trail of your account - find a calculator on the web and put in what you borrowed, at what interest, what you repaid and when; these calculators also tell you how much you should have repaid every month in order to clear the debt within the period of the loan.

 

This is from 2013 but still relevant.

 

http://www.iii.co.uk/stockmarketwire/90297/cml-help-interest-only-mortgage-borrowers

 

Has Acenden ever written to you about your plans to ensure you can meet your contractual obligation to pay this off when it reaches maturity?

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This is from 2013 but still relevant.

 

http://www.iii.co.uk/stockmarketwire/90297/cml-help-interest-only-mortgage-borrowers

 

Has Acenden ever written to you about your plans to ensure you can meet your contractual obligation to pay this off when it reaches maturity?

 

Nothing other than when I logged on to website it said that!!

 

"It's ridiculous

there's £268.00 going in and £234. Going straight back out in interest?!"

 

Where's the other £34 going then?

Hopefully I will find out when I get sar.

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  • 4 weeks later...

Received sar back.

There are phone transcripts with parts blanked out.

 

Most of paperwork is to do with buildings insurance that I've been paying over 400 a month for.

 

What should I be looking for?

 

There are a few letters where they have credited the account as They were saying I'd been overcharged for letters

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£400 a month?

a year surely?

 

 

penalty charges...fixed sum like £25 etc

letter/phone/dd return/debt management /arrears...

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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