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    Latest i can find.
    Police have alerted us that Lancs County Council & Fylde Borough Council gave permission last night for Cuadrilla to start work at the Preston New Road site this morning. Lancs Police have confirmed the news by Twitter. More later.

    Hearing that Cuadrilla still have two legal challenges against them.But started anyway.
    Also that nearby residents were not informed of work starting by the company.If so clear class.
    Just spotted a video of one hell of a hopping mad bunny in the road,i will try to find it.
    Ah,The video has vanished but I am sure it will turn up again.BBC i think.

    Another article.Stealth move by Cuadrilla.

    Work begins at Cuadrilla’s Preston New Road fracking site
    A few comments.
    “Cuadrilla have permission to start work on the road outside PNR site. Obviously ignoring any legal fracking challenges they are facing”
    http://stopfyldefracking.org.uk/category/latest-news/

    I will let the dust settle for today, and check out any other developments as they arise.
    A touch misty, the fog needs to clear a touch.
    This news has surprised many people.
    But yesterday i had a tip but could not work out where something might happen.
    They were talking in riddles,could not make any sense of it.
    I was four hundred miles out in my thinking.
    Have your say as always.
    For or against
    Bye for now
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    Well, just into the New Year and things are heating up a touch in the Fracking world.
    A Stealth Attack has taken place by Cuadrilla today in Lancashire as it begins to prepare the Site for Fracking.
    Lorries and other equipment turned up outside with seemingly no warning for local residents.
    And despite still as some say facing legal challenges.
    Signs of desperation and urgency to crack on regardless.
    As we see from the previous page, the amount of debt they are carrying is huge.Or seems that way.
    And Also Third Energy the Company receiving letters from Companies house to file their late returns within the next
    few weeks or else they will cease to exist.

    If they were companies about to start work on your house you would not let them anywhere near after checking them out.
    They surely have now thrown everything into this plan, and now it is surely go ahead at all cost or go bust.Well it seems that way.
    Soon they will have to be asking their investors for more money,the bowl is emptying fast.
    As you look around at the alternatives that are coming through fast they must be very worried.Which promise so many more jobs than Fracking could.
    They and the investors.
    There clearly are better alternatives out there.And are becoming increasingly popular.
    Are the Frackers panicking a touch,well if i was a Fracker i would be.
    My thoughts would be get in there before it is to late,the writing is on the wall.
    We may lose millions if we do not.The future is turning against Fracking worldwide.
    In my opinion i had better mention that of course.

    Well i thought this year would prove interesting.
    And the first shots have been fired.
    The Stealth attack took place and everyone was surprised.
    And now some people are going to have their say with the first peaceful protest tomorrow Friday the 6th Of January
    2017.In a year i feel of many peaceful protests
    The protectors,the people who care deeply about their communities and whose democratic local decisions have been overuled by the powerful ones. Where profits come before people are going to turn out in the freezing cold January day and say we do not want you here or anywhere in Great Britain.
    Of course some are for it,but clearly the majority of people in Great Britain are not.
    Details below.

    Roadside Protest, Preston New Road, Friday 6 January2017 13.00 – 15.00
    http://stopfyldefracking.org.uk/category/latest-news/

    Bye for now.
    Tawnyowl, looking forward to meeting people like Silver Fox and Sloop de loop and many more protectors this year.
    In a year that will be decisive.


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    Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you direct from London
    The Artist Taxi Driver with his view of things.
    Fracking Monsters Environmental Vandals who don't care about communities just corporations



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    Well old Tawnyowl will be making my way down to the Protest to take a few pictures and write a small story of the day.
    The weather today is hideous with plenty of rain falling but that does not matter.
    Just spotted that Tina Louise Rothery will be there, warrior supreme.
    First met way back in 2013 in Blackpool along with Vanessa Vine,Silver Fox,many others from Barton Moss and so many others,to many to mention.

    So a couple of years back I used to walk to this place where Fracking may begin from a Company who if they were applying for a job their application may sound something like this.
    PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE.
    Drilling near Blackpool 2011 causing two Earth Tremors, Earthquakes which incidentally nearly shook me out of my bed, just thought I would mention that.
    Causing damage to the casing and taking a hell of a time to admit it.

    GOVERNMENT
    Perfect you are just the ones for the job.The people said they do not want Fracking near them.The council said no, just about every living thing in the area said no.
    But do not worry we can overule them, what do a few democratic decisions like that matter.We are all powerful.
    We will sweep their decisions aside.

    Ah well enough of that,here is some news and a guide to today.
    I feel I had better put it on as remembering my walks in the area, it can be pretty dodgy if walking to the site at any time.Sounds like World of Water is the place to start from.As i remember a suitable place for breaks as well, and a tea room, cafe etc.

    Now i am sure you will agree i am not an activist having only been to a couple of Fracking events to learn a little, that is all.I like meeting people at these events and taking a few pictures,writng a paragraph or two so i remember that is all.

    So let us start with Tina Louise Rotherys view of things.Written yesterday.
    About Today...
    Thoughts about today:
    No scenarios proposed here in this post, nothing more than an update on what Cuadrilla started today at Preston New Road - there are many meetings and conversations to be had and it is really for each individual/group to decide responses... we do have some plans and ideas formulating for any who can support but this will unfold.

    So today the starting gun has been fired - despite the outcome of two legal challenges still not decided
    Continues on the link.
    http://tinalouiseuk.blogspot.co.uk/2....html?spref=tw

    Here are details of today's Protest from Facebook.
    https://www.facebook.com/events/1272...tab=discussion

    I think this is a fair view of things.
    Greenpeace/Friends of the Earth and other environmental groups help already but as with all mentioned... we need the urgency of now to increase all activity on all fronts.
    -Maybe too, all of the above need to very visibly support each other because this is a shared threat, with a shared foe and a clear and easily agreeable objective - THEY DON'T FRACK THE UK.

    Busy times ahead but we're up to this and we know now that WE are our only line of defence... the government has sold out, the Councils are neutered, much of the press is anything but impartial, the academic institutions have their research shaped and paid for and the law has been shown clearly to be available for manipulation by industry to make them seem LEGAL and us - anarchic!!!
    Bye for now,time is moving on fast,my camera need charging,my quill and ink i need to find,and i have to get down there.
    Bye for now
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    Well I am still here, just reporting on the peaceful protest yesterday in detail.


    Protest Against Fracking January 7th 2017. Little Plumpton, near Blackpool.



    I decided to show my support for the Protectors


    Set off to the Fracking site to take a few photos and check things out.

    Arranged a lift to The World Of Water a place with a large car park and a Cafe, a starting off point to the site which is about half a mile away or so along the busy A583.
    I knew where the proposed site was having walked to it a few times before early in the morning a year or so ago.
    In summer about 5am.
    Just a field with a gate as I remember, the type we all see that let the farmer in and perhaps cattle etc out.
    Metal about 8 feet wide.
    As you walked near, huge Anti-Fracking signs professionally made and makes their thoughts known clearly.
    They were still there.

    Arrived at about 12-15 as the protest was to start at 1 so a little early went for a cuppa to warm up, it was raining at a steady pace.
    A friend had asked me a few days ago why don't the Fracking companies start midwinter to avoid many protesters daring to face the cold.
    The thought registered but did not expect the next day to hear that Cuadrilla had decided to start the preparation works in what must be a carefully thought out plan.
    A Clear Stealth attack took place and took many by surprise.
    Only protester there the first day seemed to be a chap riding up and down on his three wheeler with his message painted boldly on the rear of the bike.

    And someone dressed as a 6 foot rabbit hopping mad and with another message to the Frackers pinned on the front.

    I saw him at the end of the Protest cycling along making his way home as all of us did, soaking wet, tired but had had our say.
    For the first day anyway.
    What will it take to stop this now, Communities or a legal genius, that seems to be the answer.

    So as happened once at a payday loanicon protest once the lift moved away a feeling of isolation descended on me, no one around only a few Blackbirds singing away and a huge plastic gorilla about ten feet high and 4 feet across sat in the car park grinning away.
    Experience has now taught me to expect anything so did what I usually do at these times look for a place where observation can take place and stay calm.
    Things can change rapidly.
    Which so happened to be a Cafe in the huge World of Water shop.
    Ordering a cup of tea, it arrived stylishly in a teapot complete with a jug of milk.
    A cup and saucer on a tray supplied by a smart looking waitress.
    Nice.
    The place was pretty busy but scanned around and mmm,thought no one here looks like they are going to a protest.
    I went into thinking mode oblivious to anything happening.Planning my walk down to the site and wondering who might be there and how many.
    While thinking away a couple of ladies had sat down at the next table, I had not spotted them till looking up noticed they were wearing Bright coloured anti-fracking clothes.
    Nodding at them they asked if I was going to the protest.
    Yes, I replied.Well come and sit with us no need to sit by yourself.
    We soon got chatting about this and that.
    They were veterans of Fracking protests and travelled to many places across the UK to support protectors wherever they may be.
    and hoped they would do the same when the need arose.
    They kindly offered me a badge to wear and after a while we set off to the protest.


    On the way, a brightly coloured umbrella was unfurled.The ladies did not seem to have much with them, i was mistaken.
    It was like a magician with a magic hat, a pole appeared from nowhere, extendable with a huge anti-fracking flag, at least 6 feet high or so when fully extended
    same in width.
    The Umbrella was passed to me to do what I wanted with, claimed back much later.
    Well old Tawnyowl with this huge brightly coloured yellow umbrella, had not imagined that earlier
    Now the flag was flying many cars started honking, showing their approval for this flag.
    We were now only maybe quarter of a mile away from the site. We had crossed the road onto a small tarmac path, safer than walking on the grass verge on the other side.
    Started hearing a few whistles blowing and a huge lorry unloading goods for the preparation of the site.
    The security, the police cars, motorcycles mobile units etc, staggered here and there. Lights flashing.
    And due to the lorry a contraflow in operation.Staggered starts on both sides of the road for cars.

    Maybe thirty or so protestors there but early.

    Well, my first thoughts.
    Looking across the road where the farmers gate was last time i went there, it had been replaced by temporary steel fencing, altogether about 30 feet or so wide.
    A digger behind churning the grass deep into the ground.Looks like good soil that has never been used for growing.
    Maybe grazed on, who knows.
    Security in front of this lined up, high-viz clothes, hats etc.
    A few protestors next to them and walking around.



    I started moving around taking a few photos, crossing the road and taking pictures of the lorry, security, the digger, anything that moved or didn't really.
    Across the road many more protectors were arriving, some stopping in cars asking where to park etc.

    Do not forget this was only one day after this protest being organised, it was raining heavily but the protectors turned out.
    Soon there were a couple of hundred protectors, unfurling flags, placards, some 15 feet or so long.
    Spread across one side of the road, the enemy on the other side.

    Another strange thought entered my head, this is where it starts.
    Fracking in Great Britain.
    The only thing that could possibly stop this now is local communities turning out and saying it will not happen,not on our watch.
    This is heavy stuff, these are the only people now who can stop this.
    It is all to play for and slightly worrying.
    Democratic decisions by local people, councils have been overruled.By the powerful ones.
    The people elected to represent the people.
    You can hardly write this stuff, it is a nightmare for many.

    Better move on with this and cut it a little shorter, I could go on for hours.
    I moved amongst the protectors and the security, listening, observing.
    Taking pictures, videoing.
    Talked to Silver Fox for a while, I wanted to meet him again.Had not seen him since 2013, believe he is now married.
    A very interesting chap indeed.He should have a book out.So many exploits worldwide in his life.

    I have many pictures and video of yesterday's historic event, You Tube video soon.
    Takes a little time to put together.

    Moving on now, back to yesterday.
    It just so happened that I was in a perfect position when the protectors decided that this lorry was going nowhere anytime soon.Just as it was about to set off.
    They moved across the road and blocked it in.Sitting in front of it, inches from the tyres, standing in front of it, a brave action in my view.
    It takes some nerve to do such a thing.They mean business.Believe in their actions strongly, I have no doubt of that.
    Would you sit or stand in front of a lorry maybe 40 feet long, with the engine going.
    He seemed chilled out and happy enough, perhaps a little surprised.
    A great powerful beast of a lorry that jolted forward at one time only inches but with that force, nearly.


    I moved close to film this and was also filming a person with a fantastic poem to the CEO of Barclaysicon Bank who seemingly are involved with financing Frackers.
    Only got a minute of it, because unknown to me my phone had stopped filming.
    So disappointed if I see them again will ask them to read it again.
    But will be on the You Tube video,in fact can you believe it, the footage is out there now.Well the truck being held up is.The other will follow.



    So many things I could write and say, but let me move on to Tina Rothery.If you do know who she is google her name.
    The road had to be closed for a few minutes as the lorry protest started.
    Very impressed how Tina organised things.I moved around listening to Tina as she made sure there was no danger to the public as the lorry protest took place.Chatting, laughing, talking about we want no disruption to the public, blocking roads etc, only to stop this Fracking menace before it starts.
    The traffic was soon flowing again.

    I am tiring now, this is now turning into a book.

    Let me summarise and put my last few thoughts down for now.
    Video to follow later next week or earlier.Plenty of footage to edit and link.

    Clearly, these protests are going to continue.
    Details I do not know, but probably daily.I have not checked the latest.

    Cuadrilla, let us think of them.
    Stealth attack took place, to get things moving, starting.
    So they have had plenty of time to prepare for this.
    Knowing that protests will take place.
    These are preparations that's all.
    Protectors want to stop it before it gets started.
    As we get closer to possibilities of Fracking, Drilling taking place, phew lets get James Bond thoughts.
    Move perhaps into the realms of nightmares.Science Fiction.
    I personally if I was chief of Cuadrilla have already got my liquids,etc in a hidden location.
    Close by, and would move them Stealth mode from many different directions.
    Once the preparations are done.
    Would I risk moving this by this major route, who knows,but if the protectors have their way, no chance and will prove massively expensive.
    Bye for now.
    Tawnyowl,going to lie in a darkened room for a while.
    Still drying out.


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    Fracking watchdog checks are to slack says poisons expert

    ONE of America’s foremost toxicologists has warned that regulators are not doing enough to monitor the health and environmental effects of fracking.

    And Dr David Brown said the Scottish Government should maintain its moratorium on the controversial process, at least until more was known about its potential dangers.

    Brown is director of public health toxicology for Environment and Human Health Inc, a group of physicians, public health professionals and policy experts, and has held senior posts in the field across the United States. He is also involved with the Southwestern Pennsylvania Environmental Health Project, a non-profit organisation that supports people who believe their health may be affected by fracking.
    http://www.thenational.scot/news/150...oisons_expert/

    After reading this report and realising there are huge housing estates close by, one of the biggest housing estates in the North of England called Mereside,i would not give this Fracking firm Cuadrilla the time of day.It is just too damn risky.

    “There is a problem with emissions from fracking, but what we’ve found is that once the wells are in place and the fracking and flaring have gone, the health effects are still there.

    “So that indicates strongly that there are other materials that are being released from the shale rock deposits that are being distributed throughout the environment and into the air and water.

    “No-one has thought it was important to determine what those compounds are and what they are doing to the environment. We evaluate what people are telling us and measure exposures and try to infer what the health effects are that could be coming out of the gas.

    “The problem is we don’t know what the chemicals are.”



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    Make your own mind up.Then have your say.It is a free world.
    Do you want this on your doorstep or anyone's doorstep.
    FRACKING: The health implications
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    Well as you can imagine I am now clearly on the front line, listening, filming, meeting people.
    I have been shown much friendship down at the Cuadrilla Fracking site here in Lancashire.
    This Fracking threat to myself is now very important.
    Much to say, write, maybe things that will surprise you.
    The more I see, read and write and check out makes me concerned deeply.
    More in depth report soon.Always rushing around nowadays.
    I made a few videos showing you the most up to date things happening as Cuadrilla try to kick start Fracking in Great Britain,in Lancashire.
    Why did it stop, well causing two Earthquakes did not help amongst other things.
    I will leave you for now with a video I made recently.Root about on my you tube videos if you like,comment even.
    Popping a Leo Sayer soundtrack in there as well.


    See you all soon Tawnyowl.Phew,heavy stuff.


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    Seems like Friends of the Earth weren't just misleading about the effects of fracking but the outcome of the ASA case too https://www.asa.org.uk/News-resource...x#.WH8IZn2K3po


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    Quote Originally Posted by cjcregg View Post
    Seems like Friends of the Earth weren't just misleading about the effects of fracking but the outcome of the ASA case too https://www.asa.org.uk/News-resource...x#.WH8IZn2K3po
    What you appear to be demonstrating is that the fracking industry in the UK has better lawyers than anyone else and that the UK's laws regarding fracking are some of the weakest/poorest in the world ...

    Nobody disputes that,

    just as few outside the fracking industry and their lobbyists depute that fracking is harmful to the environment and health.
    If you wish to dispute that fracking is harmful to the environment and health, please refer some genuine scientific studies, eg independent university studies that give evidence that harm will NOT be caused.

    It is the fracking industry who wish to change the status quo (of no fracking) so I believe it reasonable for them to provide undisputed (by acknowledged bodies of expertise) evidence that harm will not be caused.

    Not for everyone else to prove otherwise.

    A simile
    No one has set off a 25KT plutonium bomb in Westminster, so there is little more than circumstantial evidence based on out of date evidence and tests performed underground or in deserts or remote islands that it would not do the country more good than harm.


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    Well,the ASA keeps popping up, let us continue.Make your own mind up.Thanks for your interesting posts tobyjugg 2.
    There are so many more important matters in my view to deal with but I will make a post.On the ASA.
    And as it is clear now that I am anti Fracking but will read views from people who are for.Just put your reasons and one or two links down if possible.

    So another article coming through.With a surprising headline for some perhaps.Read it carefully.
    Lord Smith's conflict of interest: why we cannot trust the ASA on fracking!
    Lord Chris Smith, chairman of both the ASA and of the pro-fracking Task Force on Shale Gas, who provided the ASA with evidence in a contentious case involving Friends of the Earth.

    The compromised chairman of the ASA - fracking 'task force' supremo Chris Smith!

    As if this wasn't fishy enough, I discovered a major conflict of interest at the ASA. The Chairman of the ASA is none other than Lord Chris Smith - who is also the chair of the industry funded Task Force on Shale Gas. This is a remarkable and clear conflict of interest and makes the facts of what happened in relation to the Friends of the Earth case all the more fascinating.

    The conflict deepens when one realizes how the Task Force was evidently influential in helping the ASA form its initial views in relation to the Friends of the Earth case.

    While the ASA evidently ignored, or at least failed to appreciate, the strong scientific and technical backing to the Friends of the Earth claims (many of which were supported by experts) the ASA quoted an industry source in defence of their broad view that the campaigners had got it wrong. That source? Yes - none other than Chris Smith's Task Force on Shale Gas!

    More on the article.
    http://www.theecologist.org/blogs_an..._fracking.html

    Moving on slightly now.
    We all know the power of Public Relations.
    A short article on Fracking companies and their PR companies.
    'Meet the Frackers’: a Spinwatch lobbying tour
    The UK Government is backing fracking, despite protests up and down the country. Spinwatch explores the vast fracking lobby behind this decision.

    Now I enjoy unravelling spiders webs and have no hesitation going after the powerful ones as a few of us have done before but when you are dealing with the powerful ones you have to be careful.
    The people involved and why goes very high, that rhymes, another time I will post soon about that.

    Now I know and perhaps a few know as well that the powerful ones and others, researchers, etc come in these forums to nose around.Like the Chinese they whip our ideas and things we say and spout off on the news or papers sometimes word for word.Sometimes weeks later.
    I will leave that for now.

    I have been down again to the Frontier Of Fracking in Great Britain as Cuadrilla
    DESPERATELY
    try to get drilling.
    Many close shaves I have seen, these show a few trucks getting on site, blocking the road at times .I even saw one driver delivering looking for the entrance flying past the red light.Good job it was quiet at the time.
    If you want to keep up with developments there a link for you with news. Maybe if you are down there pop down and say hello.
    https://www.facebook.com/PNRProtest/

    Now i do have much more to say and show you, but my head is in the shed as they say, full of info, people i have met,news,charts etc, and ready to pop.
    And of course if anything i show you is not true you put me right.More soon, but for now another video, i am chilling tonight.

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    I haven't read all of this thread (not enough hours in my day) however I thought I would add my thoughts.

    I have no idea whether fracking is a good or bad thing. I do worry about the chemicals they inject to fracture the earth. From stories from across the pond it seems that gas is getting into the water table and when people turn on their taps, flames come out. What I don't think was mentioned is that most of the properties over there were fed from underground wells. (I could be wrong on that)

    In this country, the majority of water is treated before entering the system so any chemicals would likely be removed prior to our drinking it, wouldn't it?

    Of more concern, I feel, is the risk of earthquakes. There have been reports of tremors in areas where there were none before. (in the US) This country suffers with minor earthquakes on occasion but with the fracturing of rocks anywhere near fault lines, would this mean longer and stronger quakes?

    I would like to see independant reports of the likely results, not some group or other body with an agenda.

    The Government want it as it will bring in millions if not billions of revenue to them. There are some NIMBY's who will object no matter what and the environmentalists, while laudable, also have an agenda.

    What I think may help is a test drilling in an area in the middle of nowhere that is unlikely to cause a lot of damage just to see what effect it has on the surroundings. Not an ideal way but it could give everyone an idea of what we are looking at.

    Having said all that, I am a strong advocate of (so called) green energy. The sheltered housing complex I live in has a bank of air source heat pumps which allegedly pump out £3 worth of heat for every £1 of input. There are plenty of wind turbines around here too (east coast) but none of them are truly 'green' as the carbon cost has to be taken into account. I would suspect that it will take many, many years for that to equal itself out.

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    "The Secretary of State has relied on the Planning Policy Guidance on minerals (PPGM) in arguing that the climate change impacts of shale gas production should not be considered at this stage because Cuadrilla sought permission only for exploration."

    So they are choosing to ignore the stated and supported results of the actual fracking, as they have only requested exploratory drills

    So are they [problem]ming shareholders or the public?
    I know which i believe

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    I do find it a tad ironic that I'm asked to ''carefully'' read an article alleging a conflict of interested written by a former chief executive of Friends of the Earth. Do you really think he's capable of providing a balanced view?


    I don't have a view on fracking either way but I do have a view on the importance of objectivity in forming one and to be fair most of the posts here belong on the conspiracy theory thread...just don't let them hear you...they're everywhere...you know who I mean...them...


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    Quote Originally Posted by cjcregg View Post
    I don't have a view on fracking either way but I do have a view on the importance of objectivity in forming one
    Then given the many posts here, and opinions stated on various places (excepting greenpeace or the fracking lobbys) and by a number of governments (state and federal) and even New Scientist, as well as common sense telling you that rupturing the earth and sending pressurised CHEMICALS into it is very risky purely of itself,

    Is it your opinion that fracking is harmful to the environment and health in real world application?


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    Quote Originally Posted by tobyjugg2 View Post
    Then given the many posts here, and opinions stated on various places (excepting greenpeace or the fracking lobbys) and by a number of governments (state and federal) and even New Scientist, as well as common sense telling you that rupturing the earth and sending pressurised CHEMICALS into it is very risky purely of itself,

    Is it your opinion that fracking is harmful to the environment and health in real world application?

    While we await cjcregs' opinion and reasoning



    https://www.york.ac.uk/news-and-even...ng-usa-ethane/


    I have little doubt that fracking is an important part of Englands 'survival' after Brexit, but there is a massive difference between properly managing the extraction of resources in a way that ensures our childrens futures aren't blighted, and the short then abandoned well life, short company life 'quick buck and run' profit grab of foreign companies and investors route we appear to be facing.


    All green issues aside, crucial as they are, Some might think it poetic justice that the UK is on the receiving end of foreign asset stripping of UK companies and raw materials,
    I do not.


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    Hi old Tawnyowl here.
    Soon I will widen this thread to give you a little news from across the UK.
    Obviously, I have been concentrating on my own area as this is where it will all kick off, or not. So I will keep you updated
    But there is a lot going on across Great Britain.I know that.
    So to be fair I will open things out a little soon.Cover more areas as best i can.

    Also i do not like to but i will give you the Energy Companies views of things.
    Usually they can be taken apart quite easily.But I have to be fair.

    But no PR for them as they have enough from London as the video above shows.
    Today I went down to the site again and it was my pleasure to meet Gayzer Frackman for a few minutes.Had a quick chat.Many people are not pleased that despite Legal challenges
    Cuadrilla just started.

    This is the challenge that I hope succeeds.As tobyjugg 2 posted a few posts back.
    gayzer-frackman-legal-challenge

    The ministerial approval of plans for shale gas exploration in Lancashire is being challenged in the courts on climate change grounds.

    The Local Government Secretary granted planning permission on 6 October 2016 for Cuadrilla’s Preston New Road site near Blackpool.

    This overruled the refusal by Lancashire County Council 15 months earlier, but followed the recommendation of the inspector at a 19-day planning inquiry.

    Mr Javid’s decision is now the subject of two statutory challenges.
    https://drillordrop.com/2017/01/10/c...omment-page-1/

    Now remember I have just come out of a five year battle as a few of us have elsewhere, i did not imagine this after going to a Fracking protest back in 2014.
    Also that I am just a normal bloke writing and putting a few thoughts articles and info down.
    But I have developed quite a thick skin, so say what you want after just a little research please.

    So for now i will leave you with a little music that is many people's view of things.
    Let battle commence.
    Leo Sayers view on things.



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    Well that was quite a good start the link did not work.

    So let me try again

    This is the challenge that I hope succeeds.As tobyjugg 2 posted a few posts back.


    The ministerial approval of plans for shale gas exploration in Lancashire is being challenged in the courts on climate change grounds.

    The Local Government Secretary granted planning permission on 6 October 2016 for Cuadrilla’s Preston New Road site near Blackpool.

    This overruled the refusal by Lancashire County Council 15 months earlier, but followed the recommendation of the inspector at a 19-day planning inquiry.

    Mr Javid’s decision is now the subject of two statutory challenges.
    https://drillordrop.com/2017/01/10/c...fracking-site/

    After this battle finishes, I will resume my life collecting Driftwood from the Shoreline.And never again
    How did I get into this but I will see it through to the conclusion.


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    Well i am finding it very difficult to say anything nice about Cuadrilla.
    They have their PR companies and lobby groups doing things like that for them.
    If they or their representatives want to post in here i am sure some may be interested in what they say.

    And if you support Fracking have your say,but expect a reply as i expect you to react to my posts.
    I admit getting a little roused from time to time but i do not think i have shouted anyone down for having a view.
    Only once getting a little roused when a supposed so called Shale Gas Expert told some to F off from a few feet away.
    I was going to post a good sized post but it will keep for another day.Just post some latest news about the Legal Challenge.

    Manchester to hear all legal challenges to Cuadrilla fracking rulings – against government wishes.

    Judges in Manchester are to hear all three legal challenges to rulings by the Secretary of State over fracking in Lancashire.

    The government had wanted all the cases to be decided at one hearing at the Royal Courts of Justice in London.

    But DrillOrDrop understands they are now to be considered at the High Court in Manchester because they are regarded as cases of local importance.

    The Communities and Local Government Secretary, Sajid Javid, faces two challenges to his decision to grant planning permission to Cuadrilla for drilling, fracking and testing at Preston New Road. One is by Preston New Road Action Group and the other by an individual campaigner, Gayzer Frackman.

    https://drillordrop.com/2017/01/26/m...rnment-wishes/

    At times like this things can change quickly.More detailed report soon.Finding it difficult to believe they are even in charge of a drill.
    Why do these lobbying groups have these powerful connections and influence in Parliament.

    MAPPED | How Fracking Lobbyists From the UK and America Have Infiltrated Parliament https://www.desmog.uk/2017/01/26/map...ate-parliament

    I believe in what i see,listen to,photograph,video and read from across the world to form an opinion.And can only come to one conclusion.
    But respect others views.Have your say.Put a few links down if possible.
    Bye for now.Tawnyowl.


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    Have not had much time to post, I will soon.
    But a live link as a lock down takes place at Cuadrillas Fracking site,in Lancashire.Just the beginning.Things are changing.
    People are watching, commenting from around the world.
    Very important, if this starts in Lancashire it will be on your doorstep shortly.
    Do a little research if you can on Fracking, draw your own conclusion.
    Democracy is very important, and has been clearly smashed to pieces, in my view anyway.

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