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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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Got a letter a few days ago saying an outstanding LO from 2013 is still unpaid from the council.

 

Now ive always known ive owed bailiff charges for this amount but refused to pay them but thats a different story

 

Ive just had a quick look online at accounts and the likes on the council website

and it seems the council have paid the bailiffs out of the money i paid online to the council

to clear the council tax arrears (in full) on the councils website at the time

eg clear the LO and worry about what I owe the baliffs another time.

 

It showed only last year I was up to date with my council tax

but owed bailiff charges for this amount

and now they have what seems messed with figures to make out its still an LO issue

 

Bit stuck on this one so any advice would be much help when I can spend a day or two collecting my own data :(

 

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Have moved your thread to the Bailiff forum Eggy...in view of the Bailiff element.

 

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In 2013 new regulations came into force [The Taking Control of goods Act] and since then Councils have to pay their bailiff fees when debtors pay Council tax direct to the Council.

So the situation is that instead of owing bailiff fees you still owe the Council.

 

You are therefore best to contact the Council to find out how much they have paid to the bailiffs and a breakdown of how much they charged and for what.

In the meantime if you have a car outside move it away from your property to avoid it being clamped or removed.

if you can come to some arrangement with the Council to repay the outstanding amount, it might prevent a visit from bailiffs and your clamped.

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Got a letter a few days ago saying an outstanding LO from 2013 is still unpaid from the council.

 

Now ive always known ive owed bailiff charges for this amount but refused to pay them but thats a different story

 

Ive just had a quick look online at accounts and the likes on the council website and it seems the council have paid the bailiffs out of the money i paid online to the council

 

The council have correctly dealt with your direct payment and the following page should hopefully explain in simple terms how your payment has been distributed.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?453047-Bailiff-enforcement-Setting-up-a-payment-arrangement-and-whether-you-can-pay-the-court-or-the-council-direct

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So this coming into affect on 6th April 2014 surly the LO issued for the amount on 6/6/13 has no effect to this matter, this is I thinking it only means " from 6/4/14 and after" has an effect .. That aside my concern is that pre date I paid the LO off in full and left the bailiff to chase there money. Can they now restart chasing the LO adding the new rule charges from something I paid off previously.. That is what the council are threatening ?

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This is a bit more confusing than I thought.. Sept through October I made payments in 2013. From Oct 2013 through to 15 April 2014 I was on jsa and it being paid for me. On 24 April I made a payment of £416. Give me a little time to sort this out, there was one year I earn just below 6k and did not claim for low earnings..

 

Ok lets say I made the full owing payment on 24 April 2014

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Before 07?04 the council will have deducted the fees in full so it would not make any difference, the LO would still not have been settled.

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After asking what the bill was for, they sent me this...

The debt relates to the 2013/2014 bill which was originally for £836.23. Due to no payments being made to this amount on 16th May 2013 you were summonsed which added £130.00 costs to your account. Obtaining a Liability Order from the court enabled us to instruct our Enforcement Agents to act on our behalf.

 

As the debt was not paid in full (£396.23 remaining) on 29th January 2015 it was passed to Jacobs Enforcement Agents who added their compliance fee of £75.00 and then the enforcement fee of £235.00 totalling £310.00.

 

Total amount now due to Jacobs £706.23.

 

On 24th April 2015 you did make a payment to us for £396.23 to clear the amount remaining. However as your case was with Jacobs we had to pay them a proportion of their fees out of this amount totalling £147.44. This is the balance that is due to us from 2013/2014.

 

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Not sure what the proportion means but I figure it saves me paying all the bailiff charges

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Emailed them asking after I pay this amount will I be up to date with nothing left to pay, received this reply...

 

 

Yes that’s correct. You just be then paying your current bill which you are already paying anyway monthly

 

All I ever paid was the c/tax plus summons fee nothing more so however they worked that out I'm unsure and wont be asking..

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All I ever paid was the c/tax plus summons fee nothing more so however they worked that out I'm unsure and wont be asking..

 

Unfortunately, your understanding or lack of will not effect on the apportionment of the payment received.

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DO NOT PAY UPFRONT FEES FOR COSTLY TELEPHONE CONSULTATIONS WITH SO CALLED "EXPERTS" THEY INVARIABLY ARE NOTHING OF THE SORT

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Bailiffs wanted £305, council only paying them £144

 

Yes exactly the same amount that would have been paid to them, if you would have paid the EA. Pro rata :)

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DO NOT PAY UPFRONT FEES FOR COSTLY TELEPHONE CONSULTATIONS WITH SO CALLED "EXPERTS" THEY INVARIABLY ARE NOTHING OF THE SORT

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Just looked over your thread, I am afraid you still owe the authority the amount stated if you do not pay this the account will still be open to future enforcement action.

DO NOT PAY UPFRONT FEES TO COLD CALLERS PROMISING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS

DO NOT PAY UPFRONT FEES FOR COSTLY TELEPHONE CONSULTATIONS WITH SO CALLED "EXPERTS" THEY INVARIABLY ARE NOTHING OF THE SORT

BEWARE OF QUICK FIX DEBT SOLUTIONS, IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT INVARIABLY IS

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Yes, its the pro rata that through me.. I would have not been worried about bailiffs coming round, I just wanted to find out the facts before I handed over the money, that I have now been able to do :)

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The good news is that you will not be liable for the balance of the bailiff fees though.

DO NOT PAY UPFRONT FEES TO COLD CALLERS PROMISING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS

DO NOT PAY UPFRONT FEES FOR COSTLY TELEPHONE CONSULTATIONS WITH SO CALLED "EXPERTS" THEY INVARIABLY ARE NOTHING OF THE SORT

BEWARE OF QUICK FIX DEBT SOLUTIONS, IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT INVARIABLY IS

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