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I have foolishly swapped items with wrong receipts at various tk Max's.

 

i have neen away & the police have been twice & left a note saying to ring them .

 

i just am too scared and have not done that .

 

help & advice me as to what I should do as I don't want police turning up again .

 

please answer ASAP as this has been going on since March.

 

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It may help those giving you advice to have more information.

 

Why what and how and so on!

 

Also how did the Police become involved, have you been caught before doing this,

 

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I'm afraid that the best thing you can do is to go and see the police voluntarily and put all your cards on the table.

 

You may want to get a sister to help you before you do this and go with the system.

 

It is highly likely that they will be a prosecution that if you act voluntarily and completely openly about everything, then your cooperation will be recognised and will carry a great deal of weight when it comes to any sentencing decision.

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Hi and welcome to CAG. My apologies to the site team already on this thread (too many cooks etc.) but we need clarity.

 

From what little you gave us, you swapped price tickets. Was this to get a cheaper price or to get a bigger refund. Either way, it is fraud. Have you done it before? If yes, how many times.

 

Were you stopped by store security?

If yes, did the police attend?

 

You have two options. The first is to go to the police station. The second is when they arrive to arrest you. I would go for the first option.

 

You will be entitled to some legal assistance if you are going to be in a recorded interview. I advise that you accept help offered to protect your rights.

 

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I swapped price tags just to get rid of stuff I was not using .security stopped me & police were called & just gave the matter to rlp. Who wrote to me for one year & then stopped .after one yr I did the same thing foolishly & now the police have been to my house twice & have left notes for me to ring them up .i am devastated.

 

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Best thing for you to do is to go to your local station, get a solicitor and tell them the truth. DOnt try to run or hide as it wont end well.

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But I am just too scared & don't know what to expect

 

The Police will continue coming to where you live, until they take you to a station.

 

Suggest that you visit your nearest Police station and just say that Police officers had visited looking to speak to you. I would suggest that you say that you don't know what it is about and if they wish you to come back on a given day/time, you will do so. You should NOT say anything to admit a crime, unless advised to by a Solicitor. The Police station can arrange for a duty Solicitor, if you are to be questioned about an offence. It is always up to the Police to provide evidence of a criminal offence being committed and you should wait to see what evidence they have. If the Police have evidence from TKMax, then your Solicitor will advise you what to say.

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Would you want to be arrested at your home, possibly handcuffed and transported to the police station in the back of a police car? Neither would I!

 

I would present myself at the desk at the police station. Burying your head isn't going to make this go away. The sooner you do it, the lesser the chance of them coming to your door again.

 

Dependant on your income, you may qualify for legal aid but (I think) you should get access to a duty solicitor who will advise you of where you stand. I wouldn't advise being interviewed without legal representation.

 

Before you go, try and work out why you made these poor choices. This is called mitigation and may sway what the police do. Do not say you made a mistake as you didn't. You had choices.

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you are now back on the police radar having being caught out a second time. The first time they were happy just to gather intel and leave it at that but now they are going to investigate this and may well seek prosecution.

If you respond to their notice and ask to speak to the named officer and tell the truth you will make the enquiry a lot simpler for all concerned and there will be a greater liklihood that it will be treated as a single event with a lower level of tariff

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Just go to them, and youll likely just recieve a slap on the wrist or a simple caution. If they have to get a warrant for your arrest, then the penalties are much greater.

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I wrote sometime ago & said police came to my house twice regarding a tkmax fraud .

 

 

all the people said go to the police station

.i did ring the police station

the policeman said tk max security want me to pay £83 for the stuff that I swapped wrongly & finish the case .

 

 

he said come for an interview to the police station .

 

 

I went for the police station for the interview , & didn't think I need a solicitor

as I was just going to pay £83 to finish the matter .

 

 

i was honest & told him I shop in tkmax all the time & on few occasions I had swapped the wrong items .

the policeman was very polite & said this is the end of the matter & don't do it again .

 

today I got a letter from tkmax that they want to prosecute me .

 

 

i am shocked & gutted & think this was like a trap for me..what can I do now .please help .

 

Distressed Srinagar

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scan and post up the letter from TKMax, redacted of course.

 

Did you pay the money they were claiming?

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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TKmaxx wouldnt have said that at all. I bet it was RLP or a similar company saying they are thinking about it if you dont pay them as well.

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TKmaxx wouldnt have said that at all. I bet it was RLP or a similar company saying they are thinking about it if you dont pay them as well.

 

Definitely!

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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old and new threads merged.

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Are you able to post up a copy of the letter? Please make sure that you obscure all personal details and that includes reference numbers and barcodes.

 

Until we know exactly who the letter is from, we cannot advise accordingly.

 

I also suspect it is RLP acting on behalf of their client: TKMaxx

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I have not seen the letter yet as am away ,will let you know when I see the letter ,but it says tkmax want to prosecute me ,even though I went to the police station & paid what they wanted & according to me & the policeman the matter was closed.

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who did you pay?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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TKmaxx cannot prosecute you nor can the police, it is the Crown Prosecution Service that does that and they do so having taken advice from the police, not TKmaxx or anyone else.

For you to be prosecuted you will have to be arrested and formally charged and then the file passed on to the CPS for consideration. It is a process that takes time and you will be formally made4 aware of what is going on at various stages.

The store can ask the police to reinvestigate but I really doubt they will if you have paid money as part of a local restitution scheme. TKmaxx will lose thier membership if they play games like that and then the police wont turn out when the shop catches another shoplifter.

Sounds like you have a letter from someone trying to scare you into paying more money when this is now all done and dusted. We will need to see who the letter is actually from and what it really says to advise whether to take it seriously or not.

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Yes I have just seen the 2 letters that came recorded delivery.

 

 

one of them is from rlp demanding 149 pounds for some card fraud ,which I don't know what they are talking about !!!

 

 

And the other letter is from tjx Europe ,

banning me from the tkmax store.

 

 

this is after the police told me that the matter is closed.

 

 

what should I do .

 

Srinagar

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Ignore them

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Yes I have just seen the 2 letters that came recorded delivery.

 

 

one of them is from rlp demanding 149 pounds for some card fraud ,which I don't know what they are talking about !!!

 

 

And the other letter is from tjx Europe ,

banning me from the tkmax store.

 

 

this is after the police told me that the matter is closed.

 

 

what should I do .

 

Srinagar

 

 

card fraud?

not that it matter they can do nowt

but could you scan up the RLP letter as a pdf please

follow the upload

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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