generally. it would be interesting to know whether those that voted in corby actually know/knew of all of his political aims/ideals, whether it was in protest, whether some of the votes were 'infiltrated' as some suggested, whether it is favourable to the cons, how genuine the whole party now is re supporting corby,.....etc. so many questions

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Flag-wagging demagoguery,

no mention of the million using food banks

No mention people dying due to welfare reforms

No mention the 1700 steel workers who lost their job through steel now being purchased from China Via Osbourns latest trade deal

i was under the impression personal attacks on a fellow member of parliament was uncivilised. No matter which side of the house you sit. You expect that in the Daily Mail, but not from an elected member of Parliament.

Seems Corbyn and the SNP have really upset his slim majority

the independents comment re #50

'Jeremy Corbyn’s interview with an Iranian television station has been used by Conservative leader David Cameron to attack him – but what did the Labour leader actually say?'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-attacks-jeremy-corbyn-on-bin-laden-remarks-but-what-did-the-then-labour-backbencher-a6684681.html

Deceit spin and lies from Lynton Crosby yet again

The majority no longer believe this garbage

What a profund, true and rousing speech Cameron made, a true leader of democracy.

 

"Many words have been written about the new Labour leader, but you only need to know one thing, he thinks the death of Osama Bin Laden was a tragedy.

 

No!

 

A tragedy is the death of nearly 3,000 people murdered one morning in New York.

A tragedy is the mums and dads that never came home from work that day.

A tragedy is people jumping from the towers after the plane hit.

 

My friends, we cannot let that man inflict his security threatening, terrorist sympathising, Britain hating ideology on this country we love."

 

 

Now there is a real patriotic leader of this country.

Misrepresentation of what he said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-attacks-jeremy-corbyn-on-bin-laden-remarks-but-what-did-the-then-labour-backbencher-a6684681.html

There was no attempt to capture him or put him on trial etc LAW not WAR

I can't understand you people, you are standing up for a terrorist who murdered thousands. It matters not how someone with more blood on his hands than Hitler was killed, his death was a blessing to this world and has made it a safer place - are you denying that ??

Erm, I do not believe I stated any position on the matter. Mearly that what he said has been taken out of context

And do not re write history, Hitler had more blood on his hands

You have sttod up as others have stood up by continual condemnation of the taking out of terrorists, you have not once condemned the terrorist.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety

Nothing is higher than the law

But again we are going off topic so i will withdraw

What rubbish, so you another one who disagrees with the killing of Bin Laden.

You all know full well what would have happened if he had been captured, there would have been mass hostage taking and then a demand to swop them for him.

I can't understand you people, you are standing up for a terrorist who murdered thousands. It matters not how someone with more blood on his hands than Hitler was killed, his death was a blessing to this world and has made it a safer place - are you denying that ??

Corbyn is correct. "The solution is law, not war."

Perhaps had they captuted Osama alive, he would have provided useful information and the US could have shown they were willing to follow the law.

And Corbyn has actually been proved right, that if you remove these dictatorial regimes, you might not like what follows. Better to try to use the law that exists and apply diplomatic pressure.

I was in favour of the interventionist type policies and removing people like Saddam and Gadaffi, but it has not worked out very well.

It hasn't worked out because there was no follow up plan. Everyone seems now to be afraid to put boots on the ground in a tempory policing manner until a legit government is formed.

In the UK case, we don't have any boots left to put on the ground. There might be a few NAAFI ladies around somewhere but that's about it.

I;ll be dragging these threads up again one day and posting in big letters - See, told you so.

It hasn't worked out because there was no follow up plan. Everyone seems now to be afraid to put boots on the ground in a tempory policing manner until a legit government is formed.

You mean like Iraq and Afghanistan?

How long were US forces on the ground there policing while a government was put in place?

Erm, I do not believe I stated any position on the matter.

same, i just posted up the paper info re what cameron was referring to. i think one point being in the indie that if going to attack someone re what they apparently said, then ensure that such an open attack is based on what that person actually said in context. otherwise, the credibility of the attacker reduces.

I;ll be dragging these threads up again one day and posting in big letters - See, told you so.

My preferred option would be to deal with the situation properly by having an international force which includes muslim soldiers. But western forces don't want to get involved, as there are too many factions and they don't know who they can trust. There would be too many body bags arriving back home for the public to support it.

The UN has proved to be a complete waste of time for many years. Since the problems over Iraq, there does not appear to be any attempt to move resolutions, because they will be blocked by China and Russia.

This twisting of the facts and down right lie even a 6 year old can determine is exactly the reason why people are turned off with politics

What makes it worse is that personal attacks on another elected member of parliament seems to be acceptable in some quarters

And having people blindly believing and following that proven garbage is beyond belief. Even when it is staring them in the face. You would have thought the tories would have learned that lesson with debunking Thressa Mays black cat fiasco

That was also proven to be an outright lie

I;ll be dragging these threads up again one day and posting in big letters - See, told you so.

Then we will just have to copy the responses from here back to you yet again Connif, because you already do it when nothing has changed, sadly including your unshakable mistaken beliefs.

Mind you I do believe what the yanks did to Bin Laden was most probably the lesser of many evils despite unquestionably in my mind being nothing short of an illegal terrorist act in a separate sovereign state.

Iraq should have been followed through start to end in one action and would have been entirely 'legal' then - still would have been a horrible mess at the end though.

Libya and Syria are entirely different balances of many evils though.

And having people blindly believing and following that proven garbage is beyond belief. Even when it is staring them in the face. You would have thought the tories would have learned that lesson with debunking Thressa Mays black cat fiasco

The Tories are in power based on effectively laying the blame for horrendous disasters caused by Tory party policy at Labours door.

The Tories HAVE learned - Labour hasn't.

..and neither have the English masses.

Well i have just tuned into PressTV the Iranian state broadcaster and not a mention, that includes all other news agencies not connected to uncle sam

If these cruise missiles did crash then it would be down to a malfuncion

Mind you uncle sam does need a bit of deflection after bombing that hospital in Syria

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCsQqQIwAWoVChMIv-vE2dCzyAIVxbgUCh0ZIwGp&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2015%2F10%2F08%2Fworld%2Fasia%2Fobama-apologizes-for-bombing-of-afghanistan-hospital.html&usg=AFQjCNHikJ5g6A2PAlx9CNaxeeTC-6dzWg

Mind you cruise missiles bombing Iran has got nothing to do with the tory party conference and is irrelevant. Cannot understand why it was mentioned in the first place

Off topic posts removed.

Corbyn is correct. "The solution is law, not war."

What, like 200 hours community service ? The IRA was illegal but that didn't stop them. You can't legislate against another country and make their action illegal, there is no punishment you can hand out and sanctions rarely work.

You can't legislate against another country and make their action illegal, there is no punishment you can hand out and sanctions rarely work.

LOL - like 'self-defense' making a drone strike 5000 miles away 'legal' under the UN charter. It would seem that Con-moron wants to whitewash actions as 'legal'.

Real sanctions work - they make take years, but so can regime change, and the mess left may take generations to even start to address.

Real self-defense also works, even if false self defense claims to justify attacks don't.

Im just going to leave this here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3570797/Bin-Laden-should-die-but-we-must-try-him-first.html

Im guessing that makes the Author the same "National Hating, Terrosist loving person" as Corbyn right?

I am more amazed that link originated from the Torygraph

People may say Boris is a Buffoon, but he is a wolf in sheeps clothing and has his eyes set on the future. Only a fool will underestimate him

That being party leader