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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
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    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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I would be most grateful if anyone could advise me of the validity of a "Parking Charge Notice" issued.

 

I am led to believe that within the Decriminalised Parking Enforcement system i.e. the Road Traffic Act 1991 that a PCN must now follow a strict format for it to be enforceable i.e.

  1. The top of the ticket must have the words "Date of Issue.
  2. The ticket must have the correct term on it i.e. "contravention".

The said ticket was issued by Euro Car Parks and is headed:

"Parking Charge Notce"

ON .................FROM............

D) OTHER ......NOT IN A MARKED BAY

I would be most grateful for any advice as to the legality of this supposed PCN.

Regards.

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Just where did you get this ticket?

 

Does it state that it is a Penalty Charge Notice and does it refer specifically to the Road Traffic Act 1991?

 

Euro Car Parks tend to issue private tickets on private land at that is a whole different ball game. (and the dates issue would be totally irrelevant in such a case)

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The ticket, issued EURO CAR PARKS says PARKING CHARGE NOTICE UNAUTHORISED REMOVAL OR INTERFERENCE IS PROHIBITED No mention of Road Traffic Act on it.

It was issued on the roof car park above the Park Farm Shopping Centre in Allestree, Derbyshire. I assume this is Private Property as such. But am so ticked off about it - if they are so desperate for revenue, why don't they charge people to park there. Iwas parked in an unmarked area with NO markings on it i.e. no yellow lines round the edge or across it - the roadway was next to it so I was NOT causing an obstruction. Ticket says D) OTHER......NOT IN A MARKED BAY. Any comments much appreciated

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The ticket, issued EURO CAR PARKS says PARKING CHARGE NOTICE UNAUTHORISED REMOVAL OR INTERFERENCE IS PROHIBITED No mention of Road Traffic Act on it.

It was issued on the roof car park above the Park Farm Shopping Centre in Allestree, Derbyshire. I assume this is Private Property as such. But am so ticked off about it - if they are so desperate for revenue, why don't they charge people to park there. Iwas parked in an unmarked area with NO markings on it i.e. no yellow lines round the edge or across it - the roadway was next to it so I was NOT causing an obstruction. Ticket says D) OTHER......NOT IN A MARKED BAY. Any comments much appreciated

 

Markings, etc. are irrelevant. This is a private ticket and unenforcable in law. The basis of their charge is that the driver agreed to an 'implied contract' by parking there. The matter is bound by contract law and is a civil matter. However, contracts may not imposes 'penalties' in such cases, only losses and they would have to prove to a County Court judge the following:

 

  • You were the driver (and the RK has no obligation whatsoever to name the driver)
  • That the signage relating to the use of the car park is clear and unambigous
  • That the vehicle was parked at the date/time alleged
  • That the y have suffered losses to the extent claimed

If you ignore it, then they will eventually write to the registered keeper. You merely assert that you were not the driver and are are no obligation to name the driver, and any further pursuit by them against you will be regarded as harassment and reported to the relevant authorities

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  • 2 years later...

my friend recieved a Euro Car Parks ticket on Sunday, 7pm!

she checked the pay and display in front of her (about 6metre away) and it said you pay mon-fri, there were a lot of bays infront of her, but she was in the car park opposite, in manchester. turns out, she read the wrong pay and display metre, she should have read the one behind her, and that says you pay weekends, only £2. of course if she knew she had to pay she would of parked opposite for free, but no, instead, she got charged this pathetic fine of £70, thats unheard of for outside of London!

Can anybody help us out, shes recently been layed off at work and cannot afford this!

also we have read that fines get halfed if paid within the 14days, nowhere on the ticket does it mention this, is it still the case with euro car parks?

 

Thanks.

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It's not a fine, it's an unenforceable invoice from a private company.

 

• do not pay

• do not contact them

ignore any letters you receive, no matter how threatening

• they will give up and go away

 

It's a [problem]. Legally they're entitled to actual losses ie. £2. But since they're asking for £70 and it's a con, just let them swivel.

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my friend recieved a Euro Car Parks ticket on Sunday, 7pm!

she checked the pay and display in front of her (about 6metre away) and it said you pay mon-fri, there were a lot of bays infront of her, but she was in the car park opposite, in manchester. turns out, she read the wrong pay and display metre, she should have read the one behind her, and that says you pay weekends, only £2. of course if she knew she had to pay she would of parked opposite for free, but no, instead, she got charged this pathetic fine of £70, thats unheard of for outside of London!

Can anybody help us out, shes recently been layed off at work and cannot afford this!

also we have read that fines get halfed if paid within the 14days, nowhere on the ticket does it mention this, is it still the case with euro car parks?

 

Thanks.

 

Please heed the above advice and ignore. What you have is an invoice and not a fine-its just another PPC [problem] so dont worry. Tell your friend the following will now happen-

She'll recieve another letter from Euro Parks in about 7/14 days (although it varies) which will up the invoice amount owed. From here they usually pass it on to thier DCA- Control Account who will send you approx 2-3 letters which again will up the amount 'owed'. Tell your friend not to worry regardless of what is in the letters. Any problems just keep us posted:)

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This is an email sent to Euro Car Parks from me.

 

I will post any reply I recieve (if any) and also the outcome.

 

Parking Ticket No: R *******

 

This ticket is not valid and will not be paid as it was issued in error by your employee.

 

I and several other people were issued with parking tickets at the Princess Grace Hospital in Farnborough, Kent yesterday.

I took the details of another driver and have advised her that she should not pay the ticket and she agreed.

 

I will accept £10 for the trouble your company has caused me.

 

I have just telephoned a Mrs Burke who deals with the parking issues at this hospital but she is on leave so I will be speaking to to her counterpart

a lady called Sara tomorrow to tell her about the trouble and the phone calls that arose from the stupid ticket you issued and to point them to the internet

forums about your cowboy company. I invite you to take me to court, in fact I dare you and will look forward to it, I doubt wether you have the guts.

 

I will also be pointing out your companis short comings as regards to the company they are using to patrol the car park.

These tickets are not worth the paper they are written on as you cannot enforce payment. The more people that learn that your tickets are a [problem] the more money

you lose and I hope you lose all your contracts. When you issued a ticket on my vehicle you picked on the wrong person as I love taking people to court

 

I will also point out that you do not put a phone number on the parking tickets. And I tell Sara that

I have offered to be taken to court on this matter.

 

If I do not get the money refunded for my phone calls and inconvenience then I will issue an N1 form in the Croydon County Court against the hospital

that employs you and I will bother to do it as I can issue a summons without incuring any costs to myself but it will incur costs to the hospital.

I wonder if the hospital will take kindly to the fact that they will be taken to the small claims court.

 

UP YOURS COWBOYS !

 

Go on take me to court.

I will be placing a copy of this email on the euro car parks forum which is here

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/44410-euro-car-parks-illegal.html

 

Refund the money for my phone calls and trouble or else !

 

Cheque made payable to ***********************

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sorry to bump an old thread again, but seemed pointless to open a new one.. I received a parking ticket from ECP.. and I wrote back to fight it, the ticket was issued at 2am, outside my place of work, and i know for a fact the tickets are issued by the security who patrol the shopping centre, not employees of ECP. so they wrote back to me and said that the charge was issued correctly, and i still have to pay £70.. no option to pay the reduced amount.. where do i stand??

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Don't even waste your breath with these jokers - it is a [problem]. You have been issued with a private invoice from a private company. They could only ever enforce it by taking you to court (County Court) which is a long and arduous process - not to mention costly. There is a lot of law that can bolster your defence and weaken their claim. Let them chase you. In reality, they will write a few letters to you full of lies and fraudulent claims and then they will go away.

 

Ignore them and you'll be fine (no pun intended)

 

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Some advice please:

 

Issued a lovely Parking Charge Notice on Sunday in a Sainsburys car park.

 

(Pay and display)

 

Forgot to get a 1/2 hour free ticket.

 

First time we ever saw parking attendant, and first time we ever got a ticket.

 

VERY difficult to read (written in and VERY faint).

 

Questioned the ticket with parking attendant and was told that since we were in Sainsbury's, we could send in our receipt and the ticket would be cancelled.

 

Now reading this thread I think it's just a ploy to get us to contact them and they would never cancel the ticket.

 

Any suggestions?

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Now reading this thread I think it's just a ploy to get us to contact them and they would never cancel the ticket.

 

I can tell you what the letter would say right here right now:

 

"Whilst we appreciate you did shop at Sainsbury's, our terms and conditions clearly state a pay and display voucher must be displayed at all times and so we are unfortunately unable to cancel the PCN".

 

Ignore everything as has been said. Euro are toothless [problematic], don't do court but do like to send letters from their very own debt collection company.

 

Shows you how much in bed these two 'industries' are.

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  • 3 weeks later...

Hi i've just received a ticket, which i was really outraged about as it was put on my windscreen as i unlocked and got in my car, less than a minute late....

I am a student and cannot afford to pay this to be honest...

Any help??

Oh yeah... and on the back it says my details will be referred to the dvla if i don't pay :\

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Anyone can get details from the DVLA for £2.50. It doesn't mean anything.

 

It's a [problem] - don't pay. Search the forum for Euro.

 

Expect threatening letters from Euro, Brinx and Credit Control. Ignore the lot and they will give up.

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have read this thread with great interest, i received a ticket from ecp whilst parked in toys r us car park in norwich, the ticket stated not in marked bay, it was on sunday 2nd of january 2010 there was an inch of snow on the ground it was busy and as a car pulled away from the end of a row i moved and parked in the space he left, i spoke to the store manager stating how was i meant to 'see the bay' when it was covered with snow, but was told it was not his concern.

initially i was going to appeal but having read your suggestions i am inclined to ignore it completely, would my appeal on the grounds you couldnt see the markings be upheld

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would my appeal on the grounds you couldnt see the markings be upheld

 

No. "We have considered your appeal and the scamvoice stands"

 

having read your suggestions i am inclined to ignore it completely,

This is the correct action so why did you then go on to write the "appeal" line quoted above?

 

Do not appeal

Do not telephone them

Do not reply to their letters

Do not pay them

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