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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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Hi,

 

I really need some advice so hopefully one of your lovely knowledgeable people can help me out.

 

I used to own a car from 2005-2006, due to a guy I was very stupidly involved with in 2006 the car ended up being seized by the police and confiscated in December 2006 via tow truck and taken to Charlton car pound. I very quickly left him for obvious reasons and moved on. After quite some time trying to get the vehicle back the police felt that he bought the car so in order to just turn my back on the whole stressful experience I signed the car over to him. He then had the car as part of his confiscation order and it was sold at police auction in 2008.

 

I know that is a bit of a long story, but to be honest it was such a stressful period of time finding out someone you are with is committing crimes and secondly having a car you paid a lot of money for taken away from you.

 

I left the country in 2006 and came back in 2011.

 

In 2013 I started getting letters from Collectica about a fine to do with this very same car from July 2008. After many letters and me providing proof I heard nothing. Then in October this year I had a letter from Marston stating that same as Collectica did. I contacted them provided proof and they said I needed to contact the court that they were pursuing enforcement.

 

I went to Camberwell Magistrates court and asked to file a stat declaration to stop proceeding and was given a date of today 17th November.

 

However in the meantime, on 7th November 2 bailiffs turned up to my property and as I was outside in my car they opened the door took my car keys and were really rude and aggressive (I am still getting over it now to be honest it was awful). After a very long debate and arguement I paid them the money some £560 because they said they would seize the car etc and I was in hysterical tears.

 

I know now I shouldn't of paid it but I got in such a state and I have never had to deal with anything like this before.

 

Today I attended court to file a statatory declaration which was granted by the court. The case will be reopened on 17th December.

 

i finally got to find out what it was for, it was for the car not being taxed in 2008.

 

I have clear proof and evidence that I did not have the car from 2006, I have all the papers to prove what I have mentioned above and that I had nothing to do with him or what was going on with him.

 

Again sorry for the long waffle.

 

I am quietly confident about the case on the 17th December, however my question is about getting the money back.

 

Can anyone offer advice on how I go about this and who I need to pursue for it because I don't seem to be getting anywhere at all with it to be honest there isn't any information or no one seems to know.

 

Thank you for listening to this long waffly story and hopefully someone can help me out.

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Hi,

 

I am quietly confident about the case on the 17th December, however my question is about getting the money back.

 

Can anyone offer advice on how I go about this and who I need to pursue for it because I don't seem to be getting anywhere at all with it to be honest there isn't any information or no one seems to know.

 

Thank you for listening to this long waffly story and hopefully someone can help me out.

 

Firstly, where the error was made was that when you contacted Camberwell Court to file a Statutory Declaration you should have asked them to contact Marston Group to advise them of the forthcoming application. That would have avoided the visit on 7th November. In most cases the court would advise the bailiff company and the case would be put 'on hold' for approx 14 days.

 

As an example, I spoke with a debtor early yesterday with an identical situation as yours and where she has an appointment next wednesday for a stat dec in Liverpool. Her car was clamped at shortly after 6am and left for two hours. A two truck had also arrived. She tried to convince the bailiff that an appointment had ben made but with no evidence to support this the bailiff explained that he cannot 'go behind the warrant' and that he has a duty to the court to proceed. I spoke personally with the bailiff who agreed to leave the property and to give the debtor until midday to speak with the court. Thankfully the court were able to confirm the appointment and contacted the enforcement company (Collectica). The bailiff returned shortly after 10am and removed the car clamp.

 

In your case, the Statutory Declaration was accepted yesterday and as you will have seen, the court have listed the case to be re-heard on 17th December. For anyone viewing this thread, the regulations were recently amended to provide that where a Statutory Declaration is made the court must relisted the case as soon as possible.

 

As the Stat Dec was accepted yesterday the warrant has 'ceased to have affect' (the legal terminology) and you should now be refunded the amount that you have previously paid. You should expect to receive a refund from the court for the amount of the fine and a refund from the enforcement company for the fees. Given that you made payment to the bailiff only 10 days it is possible that they have not as yet paid the proceeds to the court. Your refund could take a couple of weeks.

 

Please do post back to let us know once a refund is received and how you get on at the re-hearing on 17th December.

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Thank you so much.

 

I contacted Marston and I have had the reply as below, how should I proceed now as it looks like they are saying I cannot get this back from them?

 

I have also asked the court to refund their part to which I have not had a reply as yet.

 

Thank you so much.

 

As you are aware this matter relates to the enforcement of a Warrant of Control issued against you by HMCTS North East London in respect of an unpaid fine.

 

We are sure you will appreciate that it would be inappropriate if we were to comment on matters relating to the validity or otherwise of issuing fixed penalty notices or to the processes leading to the issue of warrants. Whilst I note your remarks concerning your dispute with our instructing client in regard to this matter, I have to say that any such dispute is beyond our jurisdiction which is restricted to the enforcement of warrants. This is the limit of our responsibility.

 

We have accounted to the Court in respect of the principle debt. However in view of the fact that our charges were validly and lawfully applied we can see no grounds on which any refund by us is due.

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Hi All,

 

I got the refund from Marston, just waiting on the rest from the court at my hearing on the 17th!

 

As I had stated above, the statutory declaration had the effect of revoking the warrant and accordingly, the warrant 'ceased to have effect'. The matter is then rewound and the case against you must be re-heard. You are therefore legally entitled to be put back into the position you would have been before a bailiff visited. In effect, this means that you must be repaid any money paid to the bailiff.

 

There have been changes made to the Statutory Declaration applications and now, when a stat dec if filed the court must list the case for a re-hearing very quickly. That has happened in your case and you are due back to court on 17th December.

 

I am surprised that you have not received a payment from the court yet. In your last post you copied from a letter that Marston had sent which seems to indicate that they would not repay the bailiff fees. Clearly they realised their error and I am pleased to read that they have refunded you (as of course they should).

 

Good luck for the 17th and please let us know when the court refund their part of the payment. This should be before your hearing.

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So was the full refund with the fees included? That would be nice to see in print so to speak.... This will help other posters in the same position as you were...

If I have been of any help, please click on my star and leave a note to let me know, thank you.

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Hi All - I got the full repayment of fines from Marston and the Court! :-) patients pays

 

Can you let us know what happend in the period since December and in particular, why Marston Group changed their mind and why the refund from the court took such a long time.

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