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    Last month we gave sky notice to cancel our subscription of several years and a few days ago it became limited to the free to air channels as expected.

    Early last year a sky plus box was installed at a cost £200, which if my memory is correct was to buy the box and have it installed. Since going to the free to air channels we've discovered that the sky plus features no longer work. Trying to use any of them brings up a "Please phone 0870.... to upgrade your subscription" message.

    Now I realise that sky charge £10 a month extra for use of this, unless you subscribe to enough premium channels in which case it is free. My understanding of the £10 charge was that since you can skip adverts in recorded programs sky could potentially lose advertising revenue. But since we own the box, no longer recieve their channels and the features in question don't require sky to provide any sort of additional service can they have any possible justification for requiring money for it? This seems somewhat unfair.

    I've been trying to think of an analogy with some other service and finally came up with mobile phoneicon simlocks. If you buy a phone or recieve one as part of a contract (at it's conclusion) the network are required on request to provide you with unlocking information, so you can use it elsewhere. Now surely freeview could be seen as an alternative service provider to sky, so shouldn't the box be 'unlocked'?

    If there's nothing I can do I'll just sell the system 2nd hand and replace it with something else but if anyone has any advice on what can be done I'd rather take it up with sky.

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    Unfortuantly your stuffed. In the terms and conditionsicon is states the £10 charge is for use of the Sky plus facilities plus updates to the system. I know it's anti competative in principle but I'm afraid you don't stand a chance on it. I would sell the box (fetches a nice price on ebayicon) and buy an alternative. There are hard drive dvd-r's on the market that do the same thing, so if you replace the box with a standard sky box you get the freeview and the sky+ functions.

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    Yup - fully agree, but Sky are not unique in this. I have Tivo which gave the the chance to buy it and pay for monthly Guide data (at £10) or £199 for a 'lifetime' subscription. Fortunately, I took this option and 5 years on it was one of my better investmenrs. Selling the receiver would be the best way forward and as ED1237 points out a Freeview PVR would make a good investmenr of the proceeds!


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    Sky are the pits of the earth! They owe me £255 for having an engineer out to sort out the mess left by First Digital but because I havent paid my subscription they are cutting me off

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    Well, one isn't really related to the other - who are 1st Digital, and where does the £255 come from? If you've not paid your subscription because your receiving equipment doesn't work, they will credit you - but they have to be told to arrange this. If you simply stop paying, they'll remove service and flag you as a bad debt.


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    We moved house the eequipment didnt work. 2months later still not working. They charged £85 for the next months subscription as they said not using same phone line. Rang & told them didnt work hadnt worked for 3 months. They would send eng round. 3 engs came couldnt fix it. Own eng came charged £225 fixed it. Then they sent 1st digital round to replace the box he blew up the whole system by using the wrong wires they would send someone round to fix it. After 2 weeks of waiting & phone callsicon called own eng back. Charged us again. Equipment wasnt working for 3 months but they charged us in full + the fine for the phone point thing so I say they owe us this but they say they will cut us off if we dont pay the 2 months we owe. Just going to go to freeview and let them sue us for the 2 months we will counterclaim for the full amount

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    It does get messy the longer you leave it - however they cannot charge you additional fees for 'not using the same phone line' - the operative word here is *same*. The contract stipulates it has to be connected to 'a' phone line. The 'same' phone line only comes into play if you have Sky Multiroom, however if your box is on the fritz - it seems a pointless charge if you cannot view. Sky will not take you to court, they'll sell the debt to Lowell Group and they will pursue you relentlessly adding fees and charges. It's easier to take them on to seek satisfaction before they hand over to the monkeys...


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    Thanks I will probably just pay the bill then, report them to Ofcom & issue Proceedings v them. Do they have a trading address in the England to avoid the jurisdiction problem?

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    Forget OFCOM, they'll not be interested and whilst they were bad before, they now have a 'hands-off' approach. It's worth writing to the Legal Department at Sky (Grant Way, Isleworth) - see my thread of 'Sky Subscriber Services' for more details on how to do this. There are no jurisdiction issues here, as you have a consumer contract - and, not that it matters - are both in England. By getting your S.A.R - (Subject access requesticon), for which they charge £10, you can spot the chain of events and mark off the charges you dispute. As this is provided by the Defender (effectively) is great to use in court as they cannot challenge the figures!

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