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    Default Got a PCN for overwrritten VRM in Newham,need to challenge

    Hello everyone. I am a new member and I need help with that case

    I have visited one of my friend houses in new ham (Gwendoline avenue E13) on 9th August 2013. I did use visitor parking permit card to park the car, which issued by Newham Council. I have been using these permit ages and never had a problem.

    When I came out from my friend house I found the ticket on the windscreen.

    The reason given for the pcnicon was –

    [Contravention code 19, parked in a residents or shared used parking place or zone either displaying an invalid permit or voucher or pay and display ticket, or after the expiry of paid for time]

    I contacted with them over the phone to know the specific reason for PCN they said I have overwritten the time that’s why they have given me a PCN.I explain to them if I overwritten the Permit card how vehicle registration number, date and year remain same. The person inform informed me in this case you need to appeal against them within 14 days time.

    I am going to challenge the PCN.Could you help me what point should I include with my letter.


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    Default Re: Got a PCN for overwrritten VRM in Newham,need to challenge

    We would need to see a picture of the permit


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    Default Re: Got a PCN for overwrritten VRM in Newham,need to challenge

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    Default Re: Got a PCN for overwrritten VRM in Newham,need to challenge

    All you can do is explain why the permit is in the condition it is, and hope they are sympathetic. Why is it scribbled out like that?


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    Default Re: Got a PCN for overwrritten VRM in Newham,need to challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamberson View Post
    Why is it scribbled out like that?
    I think he has just hidden his VRM. Would have been better though if OP hadn't marked the voucher in any way before his appeal. Looks like it has been tampered with now so that alone might screw his appeal.


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    Default Re: Got a PCN for overwrritten VRM in Newham,need to challenge

    Oh, I see. So the original problem is just that the "8" looks "overwritten"?

    They should (hopefully) have a photo of it in the car, so they can see how it was.

    I think in terms of an appeal, the best thing to do is deny that it was overwritten. Just say that it's written heavily, which is not a contravention, and ask rhetorically what number is could have possibly been if it was amended as they say.


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    Default Re: Got a PCN for overwrritten VRM in Newham,need to challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamberson View Post
    . Why is it scribbled out like that?
    My pen ink was running out that time.


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    Default Re: Got a PCN for overwrritten VRM in Newham,need to challenge

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamberson View Post
    Oh, I see. So the original problem is just that the "8" looks "overwritten"?

    They should (hopefully) have a photo of it in the car, so they can see how it was.

    I think in terms of an appeal, the best thing to do is deny that it was overwritten. Just say that it's written heavily, which is not a contravention, and ask rhetorically what number is could have possibly been if it was amended as they say.
    yes you are right "8" looks "overwritten" and they said from the the picture number looks like "7".


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    Default Re: Got a PCN for overwrritten VRM in Newham,need to challenge

    That's hard to accept. If it was a 7 originally, the pen line would have to be entirely under the 8, and none of it is poking out - I can't imagine a 7 being shaped that way. If it were me, I would fight it all the way.


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    Default Re: Got a PCN for overwrritten VRM in Newham,need to challenge

    It should not matter if the time looks overwritten. The permit is valid until midnight regardless of the time of arrival. So long as the date was set correctly and midnight for that date had not yet been reached then surely the permit was valid? According to the signage the restriction ends at 6:30pm so the permit being valid until midnight is a nonsense.


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    Default Re: Got a PCN for overwrritten VRM in Newham,need to challenge

    shall i include overwritten of VRM in my appeal letter as it wasnt mention in the pcnicon although they have informed me over the phone.Help please.....


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    Default Re: Got a PCN for overwrritten VRM in Newham,need to challenge

    I don't understand the question. Do you mean explain why the VRM is now overwritten? If so, then yes - explain. Make it easy for them!



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