Patricia Pearl - Small Claims Procedure - A Practical Guide


An excellent guide for the layperson in how to use the County Court - a must if you are intending to start a claim.

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    Default Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    Hi can anyone advise me on this question. I have been off sickicon since January because of Spinal Stenosis and am awaiting seeing a spinal surgeon. My employer has now told me that I have a responsibility to contact them on a fortnightly basis and keep them updated on my sick situation. Bearing in mind I was signed off for six months and have already had the sick note until the end of July and they are fully aware of the reason why. They have now decided in their wisdom to contact the Occupational Health Doctor AGAIN and ask him why his last report to them did not give them enough information, the reason is because they never waited for that information before sending me to see him in the first place. I feel harassed because I am off sick and do not need emails reminding me to ring in every two weeks and speak to a complete moron of a Line Manager who does not give a monkeys about me at all!. Anyone heard of this two week ring in rule? I would appreciate it if someone knew about it.


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    Yes I unfortunately had that too and I had to then wait another 9 months and they did not like his, then sent records to someone without an assessment who said I was better without assessment, daft. It is a shame it happens


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    Default Re: Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    It all depends on your organisations sickness policy. When I managed a service any staff had to phone in every 2nd shift for first week then it was assessed per individual. 9 out of 10 times staff had to call every 10 days with a check in.


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    Default Re: Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    I have read my companies Sickness Policy and no where does it state that an employee has to ring in every two weeks. I have challenged my Manager regarding this and quoted book and chapter to which he glossed over it and just said please could I ensure that I make regular contact with my Line Manager.

    What he didn't realise was that I did indeed have the sickness policy here on my laptop should I need to refer back to it and thank heavens I did.

    I fully expect to go down the Capability dismissalicon route at some stage or other but it seems to me as if my company makes up the rules as they go along and don't read the policies like I do! in actual fact I rang my Line Manager regarding something 3 weeks ago and he was not in the office at the time, I asked that he return my call at some point but he never did.


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    Default Re: Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    Could you just send an email every couple of weeks if you dont want to speak to anyone, just saying that you are still waiting for appointment or you have a new sick note or whatever, most companies like you to keep in touch when on long term sick so its not that unreasonable if it keeps them happy. Also some companies are reluctant to call you email you as it could be considered harrasment but at the same time if they dont the employee could say I am being ignored.
    it would be easier just to do it and then if at a later date you do go down the dissmissal route you can show that you have been reasonable.


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    Default Re: Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    Thank you for your good advice assisted blonde, I have emailed my manager tonight and told him I am prepared to ring occasionally and talk to my Line Manager providing he returns my calls if he is not in the office to speak to me.

    I have also agreed to provide an access to medical records report to the company occupational health doctor as requested. I was asked to provide proof of my disability (another thread before this) and I scanned in my blue badge so they now have proof and if that does not prove anything then nothing will.

    The truth is I will never return to work for this particular company and am awaiting them to decide what they are going to do about me. To be perfectly honest with you my condition is so bad that I am in constant pain all the time and my doctor has said that my only medication that I could go on next is Morphine.

    I have been given a letter off my Consultant too also stating that I cannot return to this job, just in case the need arises for me to use it.


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    Default Re: Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    Not being funny can you post in paragraphs? Makes it so much easier on the eye and most dont tend to ready posts all in one block, myself included.


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    Default Re: Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    Thank you for your help transient, I will bear this in mind. I am a relatively new CAGGER and am grateful for the all the help and assistance that anyone can give me.

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    Hello there.

    I think transient was trying to ensure that you get as many replies as possible to your posts. Making them easy to read is always useful because some people, like transient and myself for instance, get put off by a wall of text and it's easy to just give up.

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    Default Re: Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    Hi just a quick thing about the morphine (been there done it) one of the meds i was on was fentanyl, but in addition to the patches which are slow release I was given Pecfent spray which provided instant pain relief, but it was better than moprphine for me as it didnt make me feel like a zombie.


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    Thank you assisted blonde for that I have never heard of Pecfent Spray before and will certainly ask the Doctor about it when I see him again. He has only offered me Morphine so I suppose I would not know any different. At the moment I am on Dihydrocodeine which only lasts for a certain amount of time and then wears off! I have never been this bad before with my back.


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    Pecfent spray is not commonly used but is absolutly brill, it was recommended by my palliative care Professor who is really on the ball with pain control, you may also find that the Dr might consider fentanoyl patches for your pain at a low dose and the spray to be used as a top up if you are hit by sudden spasms or extra pain, if you want any othert details PM me as I am not sure that this is the right place to discuss medication.


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    Default Re: Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    I am on morphine based pain killers. I tried the patches but found them ineffective and the side effects were horrible. I used to take Oxycontin SR (slow release) it lasts for 12 hours and gives a good level of pain relief without the zombie side effects, I was also prescribed oxynorm which is a fast acting pain killer for break through pain. My Pain consultant has just changed me to Tapentadol slow release and this is working better than the oxycontin.


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    Default Re: Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    Hiya

    I personally am aware of this issue arising. In the two cases I know of, the two week contact rule can apply. If however your GP/ATOS consultant states that this is excessive they can say suggest a "adjustment" which they consider as a reasonable comprimise. HR/Workplace managers do not like that as it takes away their control over you which is what this is basically all about.

    Good luck.


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    Default Re: Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    Quote Originally Posted by Fairywings54 View Post
    Thank you for your help transient, I will bear this in mind. I am a relatively new CAGGER and am grateful for the all the help and assistance that anyone can give me.
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    I have been off 6 mths, and I have a grievanceicon in against my line managers, so I email or send my sick lines into our human resources. It is their fault I am off sick with anxiety and depression, workplace stress.

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    Default Re: Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    Lilythepink I have been contacted again today by my line manager via email and this time I have been accused of speaking out against the company on a Social Networking Site. I have never ever done this and never mentioned any names or stated where I work but have been accused of this and reminded that I am still being paid by my company! now this is becoming nothing short of harassment and yes you are correct in saying that if I wasn't off work then I too would be like yourself off with depression and workplace stress. As for being paid for the company, all I got last month was 100 per week big deal. I put in a grievanceicon too but my line manager was very very clever and all conversations that took place were behind closed doors and therefore no one was witness to what was being said to me. Good luck Lilythepink, please let us all know how you get on?

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    thanks Fairywing54
    Welfare visited me on Monday and I just sat and cried, they didn't seem to understand that I wanted to get better and get back to work.....
    I am just about to put in my grievanceicon this morning, by email. I know like you, my line manager is good at getting out of things, and I knnow that my so called colleagues willl not speak out for me...... so as long as it is logged, that I just didn't take off sick for nothing....which I have never done.... I have went through hell this last couple of years, and would resign if I could afford it..... I intend to get myself well and then transfer out if I can.....
    I will go to court with this, if nothing is done, as my union and my doctor and consultant will back me up, they have already said they will... the whole time I have been off sick, they have done nothing but stress me out. Occupational Health told them that even an interview with them, would exacerbate my condition, and welfare suggested retiring early......... I am more stressed out now, as I willl probably lose my home, and everything else....... thanks for your support, they somehow think being sick is being fun....... thanks again

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    Default Re: Help required with keeping in contact with employer whilst off sick

    Just an update to all reading this thread. Yesterday I was fired by my company under the Capability dismissalicon route. I was asked for a return date to work which I could not give as it is between my Consultant and my GP and i am still on the sick. I was still got rid of anyhow.

    I have now put in a claim for ESA as it is my belief that as from yesterday all my rights to SSP ended that day and I will be paid at the end of the month my final salary as I am a monthly employee. I will not go into this too deep but the right format was not followed according to the Disability route and no records of any kind have been sought from my consultant or an Occupational Doctor since the beginning of this year.


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    take them to the industrial tribunal for unfair dismissalicon...... Labour rellations agency.......there are loads of things that you can do.
    Take them to court if necessary I am, these employers need to keep up with the law.

    Do you belong to a union?

    Fight them, although you probably don't feel like it, but it will be worth it in the end......... I feel quite confident that I willl have my complaint at least put on my file..... Keep fighting.

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