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    • Euro have got a lot wrong and have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4.  According to Section 13 after ECP have written to Arval they should then send a NTH to the Hirer  which they have done.This eliminates Arval from any further pursuit by ECP. When they wrote to your company they should have sent copies of everything that they asked Arval for. This is to prove that your company agree what happened on the day of the breach. If ECP then comply with the Act they are allowed to pursue the hirer. If they fail, to comply they cannot make the hirer pay. They can pursue until they are blue in the face but the Hirer is not lawfully required to pay them and if it went to Court ECP would lose. Your company could say who was driving but the only person that can be pursued is the Hirer, there does not appear to be an extension for a driver to be pursued. Even if there was, because ECP have failed miserably to comply with the Act  they still have no chance of winning in Court. Here are the relevant Hire sections from the Act below.
    • Thank-you FTMDave for your feedback. May I take this opportunity to say that after reading numerous threads to which you are a contributor, I have great admiration for you. You really do go above and beyond in your efforts to help other people. The time you put in to help, in particular with witness statements is incredible. I am also impressed by the way in which you will defer to others with more experience should there be a particular point that you are not 100% clear on and return with answers or advice that you have sought. I wish I had the ability to help others as you do. There is another forum expert that I must also thank for his time and patience answering my questions and allowing me to come to a “penny drops” moment on one particular issue. I believe he has helped me immensely to understand and to strengthen my own case. I shall not mention who it is here at the moment just in case he would rather I didn't but I greatly appreciate the time he took working through that issue with me. I spent 20+ years of working in an industry that rules and regulations had to be strictly adhered to, indeed, exams had to be taken in order that one had to become qualified in those rules and regulations in order to carry out the duties of the post. In a way, such things as PoFA 2012 are rules and regulations that are not completely alien to me. It has been very enjoyable for me to learn these regulations and the law surrounding them. I wish I had found this forum years ago. I admit that perhaps I had been too keen to express my opinions given that I am still in the learning process. After a suitable period in this industry I became Qualified to teach the rules and regulations and I always said to those I taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If opinions, theories and observations are put forward, discussion can take place and as long as the result is that the student is able to clearly see where they went wrong and got to that moment where the penny drops then that is a valuable learning experience. No matter how experienced one is, there is always something to learn and if I did not know the answer to a question, I would say, I don't know the answer to that question but I will go and find out what the answer is. In any posts I have made, I have stated, “unless I am wrong” or “as far as I can see” awaiting a response telling me what I got wrong, if it was wrong. If I am wrong I am only too happy to admit it and take it as a valuable learning experience. I take the point that perhaps I should not post on other peoples threads and I shall refrain from doing so going forward. 🤐 As alluded to, circumstances can change, FTMDave made the following point that it had been boasted that no Caggers, over two years, who had sent a PPC the wrong registration snotty letter, had even been taken to court, let alone lost a court hearing .... but now they have. I too used the word "seemed" because it is true, we haven't had all the details. After perusing this forum I believe certain advice changed here after the Beavis case, I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember reading. Could it be that after winning the above case in question, a claimant could refer back to this case and claim that a defendant had not made use of the appeal process, therefore allowing the claimant to win? Again, in this instance only, I do not know what is to be gained by not making an appeal or concealing the identity of the driver, especially if it is later admitted that the defendant was the driver and was the one to input the incorrect VRN in error. So far no one has educated me as to the reason why. But, of course, when making an appeal, it should be worded carefully so that an error in the appeal process cannot be referred back to. I thought long and hard about whether or not to post here but I wanted to bring up this point for discussion. Yes, I admit I have limited knowledge, but does that mean I should have kept silent? After I posted that I moved away from this forum slightly to find other avenues to increase my knowledge. I bought a law book and am now following certain lawyers on Youtube in the hope of arming myself with enough ammunition to use in my own case. In one video titled “7 Reasons You Will LOSE Your Court Case (and how to avoid them)” by Black Belt Barrister I believe he makes my point by saying the following, and I quote: “If you ignore the complaint in the first instance and it does eventually end up in court then it's going to look bad that you didn't co-operate in the first place. The court is not going to look kindly on you simply ignoring the company and not, let's say, availing yourself of any kind of appeal opportunities, particularly if we are talking about parking charge notices and things like that.” This point makes me think that, it is not such a bizarre judgement in the end. Only in the case of having proof of payment and inputting an incorrect VRN .... could it be worthwhile making a carefully worded appeal in the first instance? .... If the appeal fails, depending on the reason, surely this could only help if it went to court? As always, any feedback gratefully received.
    • To which official body does one make a formal complaint about a LPA fixed charge receiver? Does one make a complaint first to the company employing the appointed individuals?    Or can one complain immediately to an official body, such as nara?    I've tried researching but there doesn't seem a very clear route on how to legally hold them to account for wrongful behaviour.  It seems frustratingly complicated because they are considered to be officers of the court and held in high esteem - and the borrower is deemed liable for their actions.  Yet what does the borrower do when disclosure shows clear evidence of wrong-doing? Does anyone have any pointers please?
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I want to find out what I can do next.

I've just finished a tenancy with a terrible letting agents. Durring the year with them, we had no toilet for 3 months, poor repairs and a number of other issues. We complained but nothing was ever done. When leaving the flat, we refused to pay their check-out fee, because of their poor service and because they had not completed an inventory at the start. They then refused to release the rest of our deposit (over £1000) until we paid what they wanted. I would like to take them to court, to hold them accountable for their actions. I'm not even that concerned with money - I'm mainly angry that we had no working toilet for months, and that they never did anything about it. And also that they would have tried to hold our whole deposit as ransom. We have stack of letters that we wrote to them complaining, and even emails from the landlord complaining about them. They have been rude, nasty, and simply discusting to deal with.

What can I do? I want to take them to court... or to have some action taken against them. They shouldn't be able to get away with how they have acted.

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Just an extra note - I can't stress how rude, and nasty these people were. They never returned calls, or kept appointments. But they were just lazy and annoying until the end of the year and we refused to pay some money to them and started to really complain - then they turned... well not even like a business... it was more like talking to 15-20 year threatening children. At the end of the year the landlord was going to allow us to leave them and deal with him directly because of their poor service. In the end, we had to move back north, so left the whole flat. But, we have many, many letters of complaints, from us and the landlord to them. I even have them addmiting that they would hold the whole deposit to until we paid what they wanted, in a ransom sort of way.

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The landlord is the one who chooses to pay the agent so ultimately it's the landlord's responsibility if your toilet did not work. If the landlord is useless, or ineffectual in the face of his agent's poor performance then he needs to be told not to use this agent again. If he simply doesn't want to get involved then he is culpable to his agent's failures.

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In the landlords defence, he was in Australia - that why he got this letting agent - to run things. One of his emails to them that he added us in to was him complaining that they were supposed to be sorting things out for him.

But the point is, he might have been a little slow or stupid to use them - they however were rude, nasty and negligent. I want to hold the letting agents to account for how they acted - mainly with the toilet.

How would I take them to court?

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I am not a lawyer, but I think you cannot take the agent to court because you have no contract with them.

 

Effectively you have a contract with your landlord, so you would take him to court. If that annoys him enough he will take his agent to court to get compensation for their ineptness.

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No they cannot. They hold the deposit on behalf of the landlord. The landlord can and should instruct them to release the deposit.

 

If they do not do so then the landlord should repay the deposit to you and then he should sue the agent for the money. The landlord should be taking responsibility for getting you in this mess.

 

Who have you complained to that they want you to retract your complaints from? I guess you have not got this in writing?!

 

I've not yet asked, is your deposit protected? And if so, by which scheme? Can you get the scheme involved?

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It's now taken a sick, almost sinister turn. The manager in charge of the agents has told my partner, that unless we give a full appology, retract all complaints, and write and sign that we intend no legal action, then they will not allow the money to be return and will try to dispute the FULL amount. £1250! When we were the ones to complain in the first place!

The money is with the DPS. They have just said that the way the agents are acting is not correct and we should take them to court. The thing is, we need the money back sooner rather than later - It's over £1000...

If we do send a mail saying these things, can we still take them to court at a later date? For the toilet issues, and the fact that they wouldn't return the money? I have emails of all their demands and replies.

We haven't complained to anyone apart from them so far.

The landlord has mailed me and said he's asked them to return the deposit - In fact he claims they told him they were not going to hold on it...

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Heels appear well & truly dug in. Don't expect deposit back in near future.

So Letter before Action to both LL (UK address, also email copy out of courtesy) & LA giving 14 days from date of letter for return of deposit.

Initiate County Court action against both LL & LA, via MCOL (online) for return of full deposit, citing repair delays.

If local press heard facts of the case & ran a story, not good for local rep of LA.

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I don't know what procedures DPS have, but they ought to understand that the agency is the agency of the landlord, and that therefore the landlord should be entitled to release the deposit himself. So I'd be asking DPS if they would allow that.

 

Alternatively, the landlord can pay you directly and you can release the deposit to the agency who would then have to give the money to the landlord.

 

Can you get the landlord to email the agency and to copy you in, demanding release of the deposit?

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