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    • Hi, In my last post I mentioned I had received an email from SS who were asking me to hand over the keys to my mother’s flat so they could pass them to the Law firm who have been appointed court of protection to access, secure and insure my mother’s property.  Feeling this, all quickly getting out of my hands I emailed ss requesting proof of this. I HAVEN’T HEARD BACK FROM SS.  Yesterday, I received an email (with attached court of protection order) from the Law Firm confirming this was correct (please see below a copy of this).  After reading the court of protection order I do have some concerns about it:   (a)   I only found out yesterday, the Law firm had been appointed by the court back in January.  Up until now, I have not received any notification regarding this.  (b)   Section 2   - States I am estranged from my mother.  This is NOT CORRECT    The only reason I stepped back from my mother was to protect myself from the guy (groomer) who had befriended her & was very aggressive towards me & because of my mother’s dementia she had become aggressive also.  I constantly tried to warned SS about this guy's manipulative behaviour towards my mother and his increasing aggressiveness towards me (as mentioned in previous posts).  Each time I was ignored.  Instead, SS encouraged his involvement with my mother – including him in her care plans and mental health assessments.   I was literally pushed out because I feared him and my mother’s increasing aggression towards me. Up until I stepped back, I had always looked after my mother and since her admission to the care home, I visit regularly.   .(c)    Sections -  4, 5 and 7  I am struggling to understand these as I don’t have a legal background.  I was wondering if there is anyone who might be able to explain what they mean.  It’s been a horrendous situation where I had to walk away from my mother at her most vulnerable because of; ss (not helping), scammer and groomer. I have no legal background, nor experience in highly manipulative people or an understanding of how the SS system operates, finding myself isolated, scared and powerless to the point I haven’t collected my personal belongings and items for my mother’s room in the care home.  Sadly, the court has only had heard one version of this story SS’s, and based their decision on that. My mother’s situation and the experience I have gone through could happen to anyone who has a vulnerable parent.    If anyone any thoughts on this much appreciated.  Thank you. ______________________________________________________  (Below is the Court of Protection Order)  COURT OF PROTECTION                                                                                                                                                                                   No xxx  MENTAL CAPACITY ACT 2005 In the matter of Name xxx ORDER Made by  Depty District Judge At xxx Made on xxx Issued on 18 January 2024  WHEREAS  1.     xxx Solicitors, Address xxx  ("Applicant”) has applied for an order under the Mental Capacity Act 2005.  2.     The Court notes (my mother) is said to be estranged from all her three children and only one, (me) has been notified.  3.     (Me) was previously appointed as Atorney for Property and Affairs for (my mother).  The Exhibity NAJ at (date) refers to (me) and all replacement Attorneys are now officially standing down.  4.     Pursuant to Rule 9.10 of the Court of Protection Rules 2017 and Practice Direction 9B the Applicant 2must seek to identify at least three persons who are likely to have an interest in being notified that an application has been issues.”  The children of (my mother), and any other appointed attorneys are likely to have an interest in the application, because of the nature of relationship to (my mother).  5.     The Court considers that the notification requirements are an important safeguard for the person in respect of whom an order is sought.  6.     The Court notes that it is said that the local authority no longer has access to (my mother’s) Property.  7.     Further information is required for the Court to determine the application.  IT IS ORDERED THAT  Within 28 days of the issue date this order, the Applicant shall file a form COP24 witness statement confirming that the other children of (my mother) and any replacement attorneys have been notified of the application and shall confirm their name, address, and date upon which those persons were notified.  If the Applicant wishes the Court to dispense with any further notification, they should file a COP9 and COP24 explaining, what steps (if any) have been taken to attempt notification and why notification should be dispensed with.   Pending the determination of the application to appoint a deputy for (my mother), the Applicant is authorised to take such steps as are proportionate and necessary to access, secure and insure the house and property of (my mother).   This order was made without a hearing and without notice.  Any person affected by this order may apply within 21 days of the date on which the order was served to have the order set aside or varied pursuant to Rule 13.4 of the Court of Protection Rules 2017 (“the Rules”).  Such application must be made on Form COP9 and in accordance with Part 10 Rules.              
    • Unless I've got an incorrect copy of the relevant regulation: The PCN is only deemed to have arrived two days after dispatch "unless the contrary is proved" in which case date of delivery does matter (not just date of posting) and I would like clarification of the required standard of proof. It seems perhaps this hasn't been tested. Since post is now barcoded for the Post Office's own tracking purposes perhaps there is some way I can get that evidence from the Post Office...
    • I would say You should accept it - I HIGHLY doubt you will  be able to claim for letters at trial ans they’re offering you that, which is higher monetary value than interest.   Also they raise a good point, getting interest at anything above 4% is lucky these days, yes judges give it, but rarily above 4%   Also you might find depending on the judge  you don’t get some costs if you take it all the way over £7.40 when court woukdnt award letters costs and thus meaning their award would be less than evris offer which was made    Up to you though but the wait will be 3-4mo for a trial date at least
    • Hi Folks, Been 162 days! Just by way of update. Today I received a text from Opos Ltd so no doubt Capquest are renting the debt out to anybody who fancies a nibble. Safe to say I will not be responding.
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hi,

am wanting some advice about council tax arrears. Have had an arrangement with the council following a liability order for a few months. I have made some of the repayments, but not all as hubby is out of work at the mo (it is in his name)

Now they have said that they will put action on hold til 5th april, but then will send to bailiffs.

Where do i stand with this? Is there anyway I can persuade them not tosend to bailiffs and what will happen if they come around?

I know i have read on here of vulnerable people - would we qualify for this.

Hubby is on contribution based jsa, I work and we have a 12 yr old in the house

Any advice greatfully recieved.

I want to pay this, but just can't pay the last £400 in one monthly payment

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It may be in hubbies name, but you are jointly liable. As he is out of work, have you claimed council tax relief? There is another year looming where you will have to pay that as well as the arrears.

 

You do not have to let the bailiffs in and they cannot break in. They can, however, walk in through an open door, so if it should reach this stage, make sure all doors and windows are locked

and if you have a car, park it at a friends house so they can't take that. After a few unsuccessfull attempts, they usually hand it back to the council.

 

Continue to pay as much as you can to the council and not to any bailiff should he call.

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if you are in receipt of a low household income, then make a claim for council tax benefit, you may apply for benefit to be backdated, but normally it will only be backdated if you can demonstrate that there were good reasons that you did not apply earlier

 

also ask the council tax department to put further recovery action on hold, pending the outcome of your benefit claim

 

even if you do not qualify for council tax benefit, this may buy you some time and delay debt being passed to bailiff's

 

you can try asking the council if you can pay the arrears over 2 instalments in april and may - and request that they delay the new year's instalments so that you pay that over june to march

 

however the council tax department are unlikely to be willing to offer you a special arrangement for the debt at this stage, as you failed to:

a) make payments in the first place, resulting in the liability order

b) meet the special arrangement set up after the liability order was obtained

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Thanks for your help.

I am not quibbling with the fact that I am jointly liable - am just gutted its come to this, i have done everything possible to get it paid off, but unless we don't eat for a month - it just isn't going to be possible. Was so hoping to start the new bill and keep on track with it this time - but that looks highly unlikely now!

If they are unwilling to set up a new arrangement, which i understand maybe difficult to do, then if i suggest and attachment of earnings then what are the chance of them agreeing to that scenario. Am thinking that route because I can pay off as much as i can in april and then the final bit will come out of my wages at the end of april.

I really appreciate any help that can be given as this is causing me so much stress at the moment and am so worried about it which tbh is the last thing i need.

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best advice is to try to speak to a senior officer/team leader/manager

 

from experience, most council tax officers have very little discretion and are very rigid about sticking to the department's standard processes/procedures, if you want to come to a more individual solution, you need to escalate to someone more senior who has more discretion

 

personally i would try to avoid the attachment order, however if you do end up going this route, you need to be aware that you would still have to pay your april installment for the new financial year on top of the attachment order for the previous financial year

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