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I have a Renault Grand Scenic dci 54 reg bought from new Dec 2004. Not sure of exact mileage due to previous dashboard failure - new one set my mileage back to 000000 (I'm guessing around 90k) Full service history but not with Renault.

 

It has been burning oil in quite large quantities for the last few months.

 

On Monday morning i drove up the road and at first \i thought a window was open - there was a sound of air escaping/whistle which got worse when I put my foot down.

 

Once I realised it was not an open window and seemed quite serious I stopped, turned around (when I reversed there was serious amounts of white/blue smoke). I drove carefully home with very little power an once back on my drive I could smell a serious smell of burning rubber.

 

I opened the bonnet to check the oil (again!!) and found yet again it was very low so I topped up (again) with about two litres of oil (fully synthetic as advised)

 

I called out recovery service to see if they knew what was wrong. He checked many things said he didn't know what was wrong but didn't think it was terminal. He took it back to workshop.

 

Three days later I am told having spent half an hour on it I need a new engine at a cost of £3600.

 

I have spent the last 24 hours searching the net and to my astonishment it would appear this is a very common problem in renault dci engines of all kinds.

 

The turbo fails (this is explained as just what I experienced on Monday) which very quickly causes the engine to go.

 

In many cases Renault have admitted fault and agreed to pay a percentage of the repair costs.

 

The car is not worth £3600 so I do not really want to pour good money after bad into it.

 

Obviously at 6 years old I know it is out of warranty but does anyone know where I stand with it?

 

I can find many, many examples of exactly the same thing. I have even seen it quoted somewhere (maybe on here) that this is the same fault as Honda had last year when recalled all cars (globally) to repair (the difference between a reputable manufacturer!)

 

I have had two other inherent faults with this car already. One being the electronic dash that fails and has to be replaced and the other being a fault with the heater catching light turns out the wiring loom they use when building the car was of insufficient quality!!

 

I am considering contacting Renault UK (have had trouble with both local dealers) but would really like to know my rights before I start.

 

Any advice would be great

 

Cupcake

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Hi Cupcake, read my story this is a Renault scenic DCI 80 with 68000 on the clock, I shouldn't say this, I am already fighting for nearly a year, and I am lucky that the car broke 4 months after I bought it so I can fall back on the soga, but it is not worth the stress, or you must be able to afford a solicitor

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Manufacturers take each case on it's merits. Aradams is very different as is a used purchase as opposed to yours. What they predominantly look at is loyalty to the brand though this took a big knock some years ago when EU block exemption rules outlawed the proviso that cars had to be serviced by an approved dealer.

 

If you want to take it up with Renault then you need to have some sort of proof that the servicing is exactly to that recommended, be able to prove that oils and parts used meet or exceed the original specifications and believe it or not the servicing is 1500 miles either side of the interval. If you can do this then there is a chance you can succeed if you can also show there is an inherrant fault. All of this is nigh on impossible on high mileage cars.

 

If you were lucky enough to get an offer then it would be based on the design life of the car which is generally 150,000 miles or 10 years whichever occurs first. However, believe it or not, not all parts of a car are designed to the same life cycles. The main engine for example should last the above however the turbocharger will only be warranted by the supplier to Renault for 100K miles.

 

Your mileage is getting close to that of two thirds of design life as well as time. The turbo charger 90% trough based on general industry standards.

 

What I don't understand is why in both your case and Aradams the engine has been condemed. Failures of the nature you describe (which are both similar) do not result in engine failures so I'm at a bit of a loss why in both cases a replacement engine has been diagnosed as being required also. It's probably totally uneccessary.

 

Renault do have an issue with one particular engine which manifests itself early on in life and this IS a terminal failure but has only been apparent on cars around 3 or 4 years old and is not turbo related.

 

I would like to hear from both your post and Aradams as to why the inspecting garage seems to think the engine has to be replaced as well as the repair can probably be completed for less than £1000 if it is just a turbo blown.

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Hi

 

From all the forums I have read when the turbo blows it causes it to run on the engine oil rather than the diesel it should and this only takes seconds to blow the engine also.

 

It seems very very common in dcis

 

I hope this makes sense as I am no way an expert I have just done an awful lot of reading in the last 24 hours!!

 

Cupcake

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Hi Cupcake,

 

Have just spent an not inconsiderable time explaining what is actually going on in a reply to you, which would also benefit other members only to be timed out. Am getting tired of this time out feature so if you'd care to PM me I'll give you chapter and verse about what has happened and how you are perhaps being misled and what to do.

 

Moderators please take note. Complex questions can need complex replies which are not possible to do in the time available!!!

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Hi heliosuk, can you sent me an example too, I found an independant expert today,and he said exactly the same, they all say right away the same, this is the 4th company in a row and then all the sites on the internet,I sent you a pm this week, now my temporary car broke down and runs on two or three cylinders, I never had so much bad luck with cars all my life.

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Hi Cupcake,

 

Have just spent an not inconsiderable time explaining what is actually going on in a reply to you, which would also benefit other members only to be timed out. Am getting tired of this time out feature so if you'd care to PM me I'll give you chapter and verse about what has happened and how you are perhaps being misled and what to do.

 

Moderators please take note. Complex questions can need complex replies which are not possible to do in the time available!!!

 

Helios, I don't know if this would help, but I tend to put "longer" posts into Wordpad and then take my time editing/modifying them before I then CTRL-A (select all), CTRL-C (copy) and then open a new PM/Reply window and CTRL-V (Paste) the whole lot in. I find this gets round the frustrating timeouts on a lot of forums.

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  • 2 weeks later...

Hi - I too have had the same problem with our 54reg Grand Senic (Nothing Grand about it) @ 51,000 miles the crack shaft gave up the ghost and wrecked the engine. Sounded like a bunch of clogg dancers jigging on a tin roof. This car was serviced regularly but not through a Renualt dealer and within 1000 miles of the recommended interval. Renault are not interested. Bottom line.

It's harsh I know, you have 2 options, get a reconditioned engine for around 3k fitted on take it to a scrappies.

I like you have had no end of issues with this car and will NEVER buy another renualt.

 

I know this doesn't help you - but your not alone.

 

Cheers

 

Degzie

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Hi D

 

I have done some digging around but as yet have not spoken to Renault about this but the more I research the more I find the same recurring problem with DCi engines!

 

I have also been in touch with Watchdog just in case they want to take it up, they were very good with the instrument panel failure that was a problem a couple of years ago.

 

I'll let you know if I get anywhere (I do not give up easily!). I did read somewhere that this is the same fault that Honda did a worldwide recall for last year - just more proof that Renault are shoddy manufacturers!!!

 

Cupcake

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:-xHello Cupcake:-(

I cant help with your problem but replying because i hav just had the same experience

I have a Renault Trafic 2.5 dci van which i rely on obviously to make a living

This happened to me about 3 weeks ago now and i,m no further forward i,m not prepared to pay 3 to 4 grand repairing have got a friend who will fit me second hand engine cheap but cant find one rocking horse s@@t apparently.

I feel as disapointed as you and think we should have some comeback on Renault but dont know where i stand & how to go about it.

Van is 6 years old i,v had it from new done 58,000 miles and always been regularly serviced.

Has anyone any ideas please ???

Neil :-x

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Helios, I don't know if this would help, but I tend to put "longer" posts into Wordpad and then take my time editing/modifying them before I then CTRL-A (select all), CTRL-C (copy) and then open a new PM/Reply window and CTRL-V (Paste) the whole lot in. I find this gets round the frustrating timeouts on a lot of forums.

 

I do that also on any site I think will time out on me

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Hi there would be so grateful of any help !!! I have a Renault Scenic 1.9dci 53 plate done 77,000 miles fsh . I just replaced a new turbo 2 weeks ago , to just 2 days ago same problem car heavy smoking again could not stop engine , engine stopped itself lost all engine oil again and car was revving its head off. The garage that fitted previous turbo are now telling me that i have 3 broken injectors and they are also saying there could be more damage !! . Cant understand why they have broke ? Could anyone please help ????

I think the turbo has gone again !!!! Thanks for reading

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Thought I'd add my (recent) experience here, though I don't know iof anyone's still reading. I've read the same story so many times: a whistling noise coming from somewhere (seems innocuous enough unless you know about cars) that rises and lowers with acceleration and only when in gear. Then, the next day, smoke pouring from the engine having struggled up an incline on the M40, one stranded (and very unhappy) wife. Engine carried on running even without ignition. RAC man said it was the turbo (he was correct). It seems we were lucky: helpful local mechanic has replaced the turbo and cat and all SEEMS fine, though we're now on tenterhooks in case anything else happens. The engine seems to have survived: apparently the turbo impeller had come off its bearings but it had not disintegrated sending shards of metal into the engine. The exhaust and intercooler were full of oil but, once drained out and dried, the smoke has stopped. Renault serviced it themselves back in May (we're still within the period before next service stated on the stickerthey stuck on the windscreen). The thing is, for such a catastrophic failure, there was little warning (just the whistling), no oil warning light, nothing. We're pretty angry and £1,000 down. Has anyone else taken advice on this? Would be interested to swap stories.

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I have a Scenic 1.9cdi 54 plate, approx 75k miles on the clock and have just been advised that the reason the car is using so much oil is that the turbo has gone and have had a quote of around £1000 for replacing the turboThe car has been serviced from new, for the first 5 years by a Renault dealer and the last two years by a local renault specialist garage.Thought I'd also add to the thread and see if anyone had made any progress with obtaining some level of finacial assistance from Renault. Any feedback would be gratefully received.

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I have an 04 plate scenic f9q 212 engine scenic,in july last year the turbo blew on the m6 without warning and since fitting a replacement,which only lasted 500 miles i have had nothing but a catalogue of errors,i was in dispute with the turbo suppliers and after a prolonged period managed to get a replacement f.o.c..in the last week i have had that turbo fitted along with a new egr valve and a total clean out of the intercooler,after doing just 22 miles on the new turbo low and behold,the engine started running. On and the usual pall of smoke was emitted from the exhaust.i am waiting for the mechanic to pick the car up and assess the latest episode,surely,someone,somewhere,must be answerable for the very poor design of these dci engines.i am a second owner of the vehicle and as far as i can make out it has been serviced by renault regularly before i got it and i have followed the service intervals albeit by a non renault garage.terry

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All this usefull, but depressing information sounds familiar. I have the 53 plate 1.5 scenic and its started to smoke and use far too much oil. I have just spent £450 having a new cam belt and service from a local (independant) work shop. (they have done plenty of work for me in the past and it has always been to a high quality and a resonable price.) but it looks like the turbo is going and it seems the cost of replacement is around the value of the car. When I bought the car it was a repo but had been serviced by a Renault dealer. I bought the diesel because I thought that Renaults diesel cars had a good reputation, but is it just the DCI ones that are poor? There were a number of issues with it including the digital dash having to be replaced (sound familier?) The electrics stink, I have had both front electric windows operating system go, which have cost me £300. How does Renault stay in business with such poor quality cars and shocking dealerships? I guess I will just have to run it till the turbo goes then dump it. I only do low mileage so I might get a few more months out of it. Just keep topping it up with oil eh. NO MORE RENAULT CRAP. BACK TO TOYOTA

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Bought a 05 scenic two years ago ! Firstly kept getting injector warming stop light Then burning oil then dash went eventually after other renidial action didnt work that it needed new piston rings c/shaft bearings b/end and cylinder head gasket aftter that was done and only two/three weeks later black smoke loss of power !!!!!! Towed back to same garage to find it's the turbo , apparently inrelatef to the original problem ????? I've just spent £600 plus what the cost of the turbo prob what next ???? At the end of my tether with it all !

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probably a bit late but we purchased a Scenic II with the 1.9 Dci engine, about a year ago.

 

We noticed almost immediately that the vehicle used massive amounts of oil with surprisingly little oil smoke.

 

We subsequently found out that the engine was blown due to an earlier turbo failure and managed to find another engine.

 

I guess the main point of my post is that I should have done more research before entering into the purchase and had I read this forum, I would not have bought the vehicle.

 

I am disgusted with Renault in particular and once we manage to sell the vehicle, will never buy another Renault. Its a nice car to drive but definitely not worth all the pain and drama around being an owner of one. :mad2:

 

I'm not sure yet what we will replace it with but it won't be a Renault. The experience with this one has cured me for life.

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Me either I also will not be going back to the guy who sold it to me and whose garage did all the maintenance service etc !

We got a c4 Picasso it's great so far , touch wood, we had a c4 previous to the scenic and with hindsight should gave kept it! We just thought the scenic was roomier with a bigger boot but we could have got by for the few months we needed extra space(two young babies)!

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Hi

 

You certainly aren't' alone !

 

I have a 2.2dCi engine that went at 80K after manifold failure at 60K and new gearbox at 63K !

 

Hence, I'm not happy and collating information on other people in a similar situation.

 

We all need these details to take it further and make Renault pay.

 

Feel free to send your details to us at www 22dci co uk and allow us to make a difference

 

Thanks

 

Jon

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What I don't understand is why in both your case and Aradams the engine has been condemed. Failures of the nature you describe (which are both similar) do not result in engine failures so I'm at a bit of a loss why in both cases a replacement engine has been diagnosed as being required also. It's probably totally uneccessary.

 

Renault do have an issue with one particular engine which manifests itself early on in life and this IS a terminal failure but has only been apparent on cars around 3 or 4 years old and is not turbo related.

 

I would like to hear from both your post and Aradams as to why the inspecting garage seems to think the engine has to be replaced as well as the repair can probably be completed for less than £1000 if it is just a turbo blown.

 

There is a known fault on the renault DCi engine (which was unknown to me at the time of purchase) in that when the turbo fails, it damages the engine in such as way that engine replacement is indicated. I am not sure of the technical aspects, but the resultant engine damage is that "blow-by" is the result and this in turn causes massive oil consumption and contamination which leads to early turbo failure of the repaired or replaced turbo unit.

 

So when the turbo on the DCi engine fails, it is of little value to merely replace the turbo, as with other engine manufacturers. Either the engine is damaged in such a way that the piston rings and sleeves need replacing, or as is stated by most mechanics, it's easier to replace the engine.

 

In South Africa, there are an increasing number of mechanics who refuse to work on Renaults forcing one to utilise the dealer network and pay exorbitant costs.

 

There are also a number of Turbo repair specialists who no longer offer a warantee on replaced turbo units for the DCi engine.

 

Whatever the problem, it is a factory fault / design fault that Renault refuse to acknowledge and simply say "well, we don't know if the parts / material /labour used met with our specifications". I do understnd this but see it as a huge cop-out.

 

This all leaves a bitter taste in ones mouth and I would strongly advise that anyone thinking of buying any vehicle (Notably Nissan who use the DCi engine in some models) or any Renault with a DCi engine to rather consider buying another marque. :-x

 

STAY AWAY FROM RENAULT, especially if the engine is a diesel.

 

I know this because we purchased a second hand Scenic ii just on 15 months ago. At the time of purchase, the previous owner said he had just replaced the turbo and therefore the car, according to his estimation, was in good condition.

 

We took it to a Renault qualified mechanic who had started his own workshop for a service and asked for the cam belt to be replaced. The service was due to huge oil consumption of the engine. About 100 ml per 100 km. He took off a breather hose and it was full of oil. His prognosis was "this engine is (Expletive removed). I wont even do a service on it."

 

So my SO who owns the car made arrangeents for another engine to be installed at huge cost (around the equivalent of 3000 pounds).

 

The car was off the road for some 3 months due to this. Then when it was en route from the garage who repaired it to our residence, the turbo failed. It stood for another 3 months and we then took it to have the turbo repaired by a specialist Turbo shop.

 

The oil consumption on the new engine is now about 100 ml per 1000 km travelled which is way less than before but still excessive. So I did some reasearch on the oils recommended and have used the manufacturers specification oil (5 w 40 and this stuff is expensive)

 

We took the vehicle back to the turbo place and they checked the breather and pronounced that engine blow by was significant and they would not honour the warantee if the turb fails.

 

In 15 months of ownership, this vehicle has stood in the garage for the better part of 8 months and despite everything we have done, (new shocks and shock mountings, new engine mountings and many other new items) we have been offered less as a trade in on the vehicle than we spent on the engine alone.

 

So sorry to say this but Renault sucks. I will never, ever even contemplate buying one. Which is such a shame, the scenic is a really nice car to drive.

 

This is a serious warning people. DO NOT BUY RENAULT. EVER.

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There is a known fault on the renault DCi engine (which was unknown to me at the time of purchase) in that when the turbo fails, it damages the engine in such as way that engine replacement is indicated.

 

There is apparently a similar scenario with VW 1.9 diesel turbo systems, most commonly in the Transporter van range from five years ago

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