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    • the Town and Country [advertisments ] Regulations 2007 are not easy to understand. Most Council planing officials don't so it's good that you found one who knows. Although he may not have been right if the rogues have not been "controlling" in the car park for that long. The time only starts when the ANPR signs go up, not how long the area has been used as a car park.   Sadly I have checked Highview out and they have been there since at least 2014 . I have looked at the BPA Code of Practice version 8 which covers 2023 and that states Re Consideration and Grace Periods 13.3 Where a parking location is one where a limited period of parking is permitted, or where drivers contract to park for a defined period and pay for that service in advance (Pay & Display), this would be considered as a parking event and a Grace Period of at least 10 minutes must be added to the end of a parking event before you issue a PCN. It then goes on to explain a bit more further down 13.5 You must tell us the specific consideration/grace period at a site if our compliance team or our agents ask what it is. 13.6 Neither a consideration period or a grace period are periods of free parking and there is no requirement for you to offer an additional allowance on top of a consideration or grace period. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________So you have  now only overstayed 5 minutes maximum since BPA quote a minimum of 10 minutes. And it may be that the Riverside does have a longer period perhaps because of the size of the car park? So it becomes even more incumbent on you to remember where the extra 5 minutes could be.  Were you travelling as a family with children or a disabled person where getting them in and out of the car would take longer. Was there difficulty finding a space, or having to queue to get out of the car park . Or anything else that could account for another 5 minutes  without having to claim the difference between the ANPR times and the actual times.
    • Regarding a driver, that HAS paid for parking but input an incorrect Vehicle Registration Number.   This is an easy mistake to make, especially if a driver has access to more than one vehicle. First of all, upon receiving an NTK/PCN it is important to check that the Notice fully complies with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 before deciding how to respond of course. The general advice is NOT to appeal to the Private Parking Company as, for example, you may identify yourself as driver and in certain circumstances that could harm your defence at a later stage. However, after following a recent thread on this subject, I have come to the conclusion that, in the case of inputting an incorrect Vehicle Registration Number, which is covered by “de minimis” it may actually HARM your defence at a later stage if you have not appealed to the PPC at the first appeal stage and explained that you DID pay for parking and CAN provide proof of parking, it was just that an incorrect VRN was input in error. Now, we all know that the BPA Code of Practice are guidelines from one bunch of charlatans for another bunch of charlatans to follow, but my thoughts are that there could be problems in court if a judge decides that a motorist has not followed these guidelines and has not made an appeal at the first appeal stage, therefore attempting to resolve the situation before it reaches court. From BPA Code of Practice: Section 17:  Keying Errors B) Major Keying Errors Examples of a major keying error could include: • Motorist entered their spouse’s car registration • Motorist entered something completely unrelated to their registration • Motorist made multiple keying errors (beyond one character being entered incorrectly) • Motorist has only entered a small part of their VRM, for example the first three digits In these instances we would expect that such errors are dealt with appropriately at the first appeal stage, especially if it can be proven that the motorist has paid for the parking event or that the motorist attempted to enter their VRM or were a legitimate user of the car park (eg a hospital patient or a patron of a restaurant). It is appreciated that in issuing a PCN in these instances, the operator will have incurred charges including but not limited to the DVLA fee and other processing costs therefore we believe that it is reasonable to seek to recover some of these costs by making a modest charge to the motorist of no more than £20 for a 14-day period from when the keying error was identified before reverting to the charge amount at the point of appeal. Now, we know that the "modest charge" is unenforceable in law, however, it would be up to the individual if they wanted to pay and make the problem go away or in fact if they wanted to contest the issue in court. If the motorist DOES appeal to the PPC explaining the error and the PPC rejects the appeal and the appeal fails, the motorist can use that in his favour at court.   Defence: "I entered the wrong VRN by mistake Judge, I explained this and I also submitted proof of payment for the relevant parking period in my appeal but the PPC wouldn't accept that"   If the motorist DOES NOT appeal to the PPC in the first instance the judge may well use that as a reason to dismiss the case in the claimant's favour because they may decide that they had the opportunity to resolve the matter at a much earlier stage in the proceedings. It is my humble opinion that a motorist, having paid and having proof of payment but entering the wrong VRN, should make an appeal at the first appeal stage in order to prevent problems at a later stage. In this instance, I think there is nothing to be gained by concealing the identity of the driver, especially if at a later stage, perhaps in court, it is said: “I (the driver) entered the wrong VRN.” Whether you agree or not, it is up to the individual to decide …. but worth thinking about. Any feedback, especially if you can prove to the contrary, gratefully received.
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I have a thread about my current Employment Tribunal already but am concious that using just that one thread will make it more difficult for people searching for advice on similar issues.

 

I want to use a 'Comparator' to show I have been treated less favourably. The concern I have is that I don't have detailed information about the comparators or any proof to back up my argument - just what I know. Will an Employment Tribunal expect me to be able to provide proof? How can I obtain the information? For example, one element I know is that;

 

  • I work with vulnerable people in their own homes, providing generic support and advice;

 

  • The comparator works with vulnerable people in their own homes, providing specific support and advice.

Settled Tribunal claim against employer regarding Disability Discrimination.

Recovered my money from an AXA Bonus Cash Builder Plus after discovering here on CAG that the original advertising was found to be misleading.

Cabot still can't provide a copy of Credit Agreement and have left me alone for about a year now.

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A comparator does not have to be a real person! The test is whether a hypthetical person without a disability, in the exact same circumstances, would be treated in the same way. This is because, in many circumstances, there would not be a real comparator. The most apposite case law is Child Support Agency v. Truman ( if I recall correctly it was 2009), but this also links to the Malcolm case (Lewisham v. Malcolm) because the terms of the DDA relating to housing and to employment are the same. If you can point to a specific circumstance where somebody else who is not disabled in exactly the same circumstances as you has been treated differently, then you can do so, but it may get murky if you get bogged down with arguments about how John Doe isn't like you, rather than whether it was discrimination or not! The whole point of claiming disability discrimination is that you are alleging that you have been traeetd less favourably that someone without a disability - the tribunal will judge the claim on this basis whether or not there is a real comparator.

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Thank you for clarifying that for me SarEl. I'll have a read of that case law later today. My employers policy sets out what action should be taken when someone makes a request for home-working (which I did). This policy and the assessment procedure was completely ignored in my case and they instructed a private detective to spy on me (funnily enough, not in the policy). The comparator I had in mind is a real person but they were working from home from the beginning of their contract (several existing contracts won by current employer and merged into one team) so I'm not sure that helps me?

Settled Tribunal claim against employer regarding Disability Discrimination.

Recovered my money from an AXA Bonus Cash Builder Plus after discovering here on CAG that the original advertising was found to be misleading.

Cabot still can't provide a copy of Credit Agreement and have left me alone for about a year now.

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Possibly, but it also may not because the the "same circumstances" thing - I don't know what their circumstances are. For example, they may have negotiated this as part of their recruitment. They may have an elderly dependant relative. And unless you know their circumstances, you are treading on dicey ground relying on this. I would recommend the route of persuing the "unfair application of the policy", let the tribunal consider that against the "fictional comparator", but make sure you mention that others have permission for home-working - in other words, let the tribunal chase that if they feel it relevant. Tribunals aren't stupid - they have to apply the law, but they can also see through attempts to pervert it. The comparator arguments are filled with flaws - as you will see when you look at the relevant cases. So in your shoes I wouldn't want to get too bogged down in that if you have a clear case of them not following their policy.

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Thank you SarEl. I can relate to what you said about letting the tribunal chase it if they feel it is relevant. For my PHR I had prepared arguments about 'Deduced Effects' and weight of evidence but the judge did it for me before I got the chance. The Respondents solicitor tried to capitalise on my lack of experience a couple of times and although I could see this and feel I could have responded, the judge again did it for me.

 

I haven't had time yet to look at that case law but still will. The people I had looked at as comparators all worked from home because this was how the contract was run before they were transferred to this employer under TUPE.

 

There are at least two of their policies that they did not follow which is much easier to evidence.

 

I will of course mention that other people already work from home. On the ET3 they stated that I could not work from home due to data protection issues regarding client's files. I was surprised to see this as there are already several people working from home and keeping their client files there. I have worked from home in the past so know it is possible as long as data is kept confidential and in a secure, lockable unit.

Settled Tribunal claim against employer regarding Disability Discrimination.

Recovered my money from an AXA Bonus Cash Builder Plus after discovering here on CAG that the original advertising was found to be misleading.

Cabot still can't provide a copy of Credit Agreement and have left me alone for about a year now.

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I haven't had time yet to look at that case law but still will. The people I had looked at as comparators all worked from home because this was how the contract was run before they were transferred to this employer under TUPE.

 

And therein lies the snake in the garden - they are not comparators because their terms and conditions are protected by TUPE and yours aren't! So the circumstances are not the same. Stick to what I told you - concentrate on your main points and use these as "hares". If the dogs run that is their business.

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And therein lies the snake in the garden - they are not comparators because their terms and conditions are protected by TUPE and yours aren't! So the circumstances are not the same. Stick to what I told you - concentrate on your main points and use these as "hares". If the dogs run that is their business.

 

I have just read a summary of the case-law you mentioned. It's clear now that I can't use the existing homeworkers as a 'comparator' but it does at least prove that home working is possible. Additionally, as you pointed out - the failure to follow their policy is more relevant. They have a 'home-working' policy and it's even cross referenced in their 'Equal Opportunities' policy.

 

I didn't want to start yet another thread so hopefully this will be ok here: They have said that someone has 'left' their employ as a result of the way I was treated. I was never told this and only found out as it was in the ET3. There are no details of who this was and on what grounds and I feel this information is likely to be beneficial to my case. What would be the best way of obtaining this information?

 

I have a sneaking suspicion that it may have been over the instruction of a private detective to spy on me and if this is the case, surely there are implications as they have since decided to use it as evidence?

Settled Tribunal claim against employer regarding Disability Discrimination.

Recovered my money from an AXA Bonus Cash Builder Plus after discovering here on CAG that the original advertising was found to be misleading.

Cabot still can't provide a copy of Credit Agreement and have left me alone for about a year now.

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You're right of course, I didn't consider the confidentiality aspect. They say this person has left their employ as a result of the way I was treated so I assume they were using this in their defence - despite claiming not to have done anything wrong.

Settled Tribunal claim against employer regarding Disability Discrimination.

Recovered my money from an AXA Bonus Cash Builder Plus after discovering here on CAG that the original advertising was found to be misleading.

Cabot still can't provide a copy of Credit Agreement and have left me alone for about a year now.

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Yes - but it is hardly in their favour, is it? But I think you are chasing herrings again. You can cross -examine if they raise this at tribunal, but I can hardly see what it has to do with anything. After all, assume for one minute that the employer is right in what they did, and someone left as a result of not agreeing with them. It doesn't make them less right, does it? So what does this actually mean - it means someone left and that's all.

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Thank you SarEl. I understand what you're saying and it's really helpful to have some perspective on these smaller issues. They are 'niggles' which I need to put to bed to be able to better focus on the more important points.

Settled Tribunal claim against employer regarding Disability Discrimination.

Recovered my money from an AXA Bonus Cash Builder Plus after discovering here on CAG that the original advertising was found to be misleading.

Cabot still can't provide a copy of Credit Agreement and have left me alone for about a year now.

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