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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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Hi all,

 

New to the forum but requiring some help urgently.

 

Ok, me and my partner decided to move in together (approx April/May 2010) as we found out she was pregnant. All my bills started to fall behind as our wages weren't enough to keep a household going, look after her 2 year old daughter, pay rent, buy baby clothes for when the new baby comes, pay utility bills etc.

 

I had £1000 coming in and £700 going out just on rent and Council Tax - to give you an idea of how tight things became. My girlfriend only worked 16 hours a week but the wage wasn't great.

 

Anyway, on Christmas Eve i had 2 letters turn up from NDR Money debt collectors. One amount for £1100 from Littlewoods and the other amount of £700 from Very.

 

Unfortunately i have no way of paying the debt unless it is around probably £2 a week - which they'd laugh at. Money is far too tight, even more so now my partner has gone on to maternity leave.

 

I did ring Littlewoods and Very in the summer of 2010 and ask for a payment plan, they accepted. Littlewoods reduced my payments from £110 to £82 every 21 days. That was just a kick in the teeth. I paid it the first couple of months but gave up after that due to finances and now i'm in the position i'm in.

 

What's my best plan now? If possible, a list of things to do would be great along with copies of any letters i need to send.

 

I started my own thread after reading lots of posts about what to do in other people's cases but really wanted to get things right and sorted for the new year and for when our baby is here.

 

Any help would be mega appreciated.

 

PS. Don't bother giving me the old lecture on how i should pay the debt as it's mine and i shouldn't have got into the debt in the first place and this, that and the other because believe me, i've been doing it for the last few months of 2010 and it's not got me anywhere! Sorry for the massive post.

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Hi lessen

 

Happy New Year and welcome to CAG

 

No one is here to judge you, all be it for different reasons we're all in the same boat

 

Here's a link to the CAB I & E form . .

 

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/d_budget_sheet.pdf

 

Fill it in and get a good idea of exactly where you stand and if it comes down to the fact that without leaving yourselves in financial hardship you can only offer very small token payments there really is bugga all a the DCA's can do

 

DCA's love to huff/puff and threaten but that's about it and if you've offered and make payments based on your circumstances should they get greedy and go to Court (long way off yet) the Judge will not take their actions too kindly

 

Get the figure work done and go from there BUT do not talk to them over the phone do everything in writing as that way they can't go back on agreements made, there's a great letter that some of the really experienced caggers know of re working out how much you can aford and I'm pretty sure that someone post it for you

 

You're in charge not them

 

Regards and good luck

 

R

 

ps . . I'm of the "Do not" send anyone your I & E club but as in any discussion others disagree . . it's up to you to decide

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Information that may help if a CCA request is refused due to the lack of a signature . . http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?248863-Signature-demands-fight-back-possible-!&highlight=

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Hi all,

 

PS. Don't bother giving me the old lecture on how i should pay the debt as it's mine and i shouldn't have got into the debt in the first place and this, that and the other because believe me, i've been doing it for the last few months of 2010 and it's not got me anywhere! Sorry for the massive post.

 

In all my years on this forum I've yet to see anyone other than the odd DCA troll who soon gets found out state the comments above.

 

People get into debt through various reasons and nobody should be judged, the fact you have mentioned repaying it shows you are not trying to wriggle out of anything or get a free ride so to speak.

 

Right onto the serious stuff.... you really do need to do a proper I&E so you can see exactly how much money you will have at the end of the month. Your creditors can whinge/moan and basically write letters/phone but if you aint got the money you cant pay it back...simples!

 

Ensure you are covering all your priority debts first and then we can look at what you can AFFORD to pay these people, not what they want I'm sure but tough on them, they have to take the bad with the good in this climate I'm afraid.

 

The downside of course is that your credit rating will take a massive hit for some time and you will get lots of post and phone calls but at the end of the day without taking you to court its all hot air.

 

The links in my signature detail how to deal with debt and this broadly follows the nationaldebt helpline's advice.

 

S.

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Thanks for both your quick replies.

 

I'll fill out the I&E sheet for my own reference but would it help for you to see it too?

 

I'm glad it's not a judgemental site as to be honest, i never meant to get into debt troubles but life changes in a flash.

 

Why wouldn't you do the I&E sheet?

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Thanks for both your quick replies.

 

You're welcome

 

I'll fill out the I&E sheet for my own reference but would it help for you to see it too?

 

Only a Court/Judge has a legal right to see your I & E so the general opinion is keep them to yourself and don't send them to a DCA

 

I'm glad it's not a judgemental site as to be honest, i never meant to get into debt troubles but life changes in a flash.

 

If the odd person preaches there's a good chance thet have some kind of vested interest in the Debt Collection Industry (A Troll) the average cagger has been there and either has or is coming out the other side

 

Why wouldn't you do the I&E sheet?

 

As above

 

 

Once you've worked things out if it means offering £1 so be it, you three are more important than those chasing you

 

R

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Even when these companies and I have good experience with NDR spouting threats they never carried out, a lot of threats, but they gave up when I politely insisted they except £1.00 a month and if you still insist on court, go for it. I have been reassured a judge will only take what can afford and do you think that will be more than £1.00 in my case.

 

They funny enough rather than take the £1.00 dropped the case back to original creditor and Ive not been stressed since. I recorded there calls so can prove I offered an ammount and it was them who left it. But you could with income and expenditure offer the 1.00 in writing and remind them they are not a priority debt so please accept and stop any interest that may be acruing if it is.

 

Dont be silly like I was and listen to their baseless threats on the phone as much as you say switch off from it, it does cause stress so best to always write.

 

Good luck.

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Thanks for both your quick replies.

 

I'll fill out the I&E sheet for my own reference but would it help for you to see it too?

 

I'm glad it's not a judgemental site as to be honest, i never meant to get into debt troubles but life changes in a flash.

 

Why wouldn't you do the I&E sheet?

 

If you read through the blog entries in my signature you'll see that an I&E CAN be a good weapon against a DCA but whatever you decide knowledge is power so to speak so read them and then understand what can be done.

 

S.

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I've just done the I&E sheet including mine and my partners details. We literally have £213 to live off once all bills are paid.

 

This doesn't include a monthly agreement with: Landlord (incorrect rent paid by housing benefit), Income Support (overpaid my girlfriend £700 3 years ago and want it back), Council Tax (couldn't pay it due to tax credits not being sorted for 8 weeks or more when i first moved in - my girlfriend wasn't receiving any benefits at this point and we couldn't afford to pay it even with our wages). All of which we are aware of but have agreed with each that we won't pay anything until we are back on top.

 

What is the best thing to do about NDR then? I've heard about 'unenforceable' debt with them.

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What is the best thing to do about NDR then? I've heard about 'unenforceable' debt with them.

 

Ok, imho the unenforceability angle has been put to bed by some recent rulings in the courts in so far as claimants are concerned, unless you suffered some real predujice by these technical breaches if they existed.

 

This is a self help site so people will assist but not spoon feed the answers, only you know your true situation and the consequences to yourself.

 

S.

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This doesn't include a monthly agreement with: Landlord (incorrect rent paid by housing benefit), Income Support (overpaid my girlfriend £700 3 years ago and want it back), Council Tax (couldn't pay it due to tax credits not being sorted for 8 weeks or more when i first moved in - my girlfriend wasn't receiving any benefits at this point and we couldn't afford to pay it even with our wages). All of which we are aware of but have agreed with each that we won't pay anything until we are back on top.

 

These are priority debts and should be included in your I&E, if you are to repay NDR then these need to be taken into account prior to paying NDR anything imo. Do you have solid agreements in place with these creditors to hold off payments for a set time or is it an informal arrangement?

 

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To find out if enforceable you need to request a true copy of the credit agreements and enclose a £1.00 postal order. If you go to the template section of the site you will find the cca request template. I am terrible at links so another poster might post it up later, but they have to reply within certain time.

 

Age of account when catalogue matters as well as a lot of the older accounts didnt have the credit agreements done properly and therefore unenforceable, again read the links related to the shadow, will help you.

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