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    Default BarclayCard/Barclays new starter

    Just about to send the initial letter(s)

    Had different advice,

    I currently owe Barclaysicon £2500 (mainly due to charges taking me over the overdrafticon limit.I am paying them £56 per month as agreed thats all I can afford)

    I also owe BarclayMastercard £650, again mainly charges, and paying them £9 per month

    Also BarclayVisa owe £1100, paying them £14 per month.

    - Should I send 3 different letters and £10's ?
    - Do I accept that they will only send a couple of years of statements
    - It looks like reading threads, BarclayCard look like they fight alot ?
    - Given that they will more than likely take what ever they offer (if they offer) against what i owe them. Do you think it will rock the boat with my current agreement ?


    thanks

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    Default Re: BarclayCard/Barclays new starter

    Barclaysicon and Barclaycard are different companies, so 2 separate cheques for £10.00.

    The choice is yours - either fight them for statements (this is the part that is taking the longest!), or pay them £3 per statement - you claim this back anyway.

    Not sure that they put up any more of a fight than any of the others.

    I would NOT advise you to 'take whatever they offer', otherwise there is no point in threatening them. This is YOUR money and you are ENTITLED to it back!

    I wouldn't suspect it would 'rock the boat' if they are getting payments from you - but I don't know.

    I would advise you you follow the process through to the bitter end - at least you will then be in a better position than you currently are to reduce your 'debt' to them. At the payment terms you are on, you will be paying forever if you don't...

    Good luck!

    Abbey - 547.00 settled in full.
    Second claim: £204 WON.
    Barclaycard - 142.88 incl interest due WON BY DEFAULT as they didn't even bother entering a defence. Barclaycard paid up £184.88.

    MBNA - Concluded £634.31
    Capital One Concluded £148
    Kinda disappointed I've no more banks to go after now...

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    Default Re: BarclayCard/Barclays new starter

    Thanks for that

    so I send one letter and payment to Barclaysicon at their London address

    and

    One to Barclaycard (one payment only to include both Visa and Mastercard accounts to Northampton).

    Surely if you are only getting two years statements from Barclaycard and then paying an extra £3 per statement (4 years missing = 48 months = £144) x 2 is £288. If it's going to come of my bill owed to them no problem but it's also coming out of my pocket in one go.

    Going to send letters anyway but might have to think about going back further.

    To be honest it's probably the last few years which I've got more in debt so thats where the majority of overdrawn and bounced cheques/direct debits would have happened.

    Thanks for helping


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    Default Re: BarclayCard/Barclays new starter

    Yes.

    The whole problem with Barclaycard and this statement fiasco is because they say that microfiched statements are not covered under DPA. Under DPA you are entitled to your information for a 10.00 maximum charge. I am fighting Abbeyicon (who were the original ones to come up with this argument) for DPA non compliance. If you look in the Abbey thread, there is a sticky for 'microfiche argument'.

    Abbey - 547.00 settled in full.
    Second claim: £204 WON.
    Barclaycard - 142.88 incl interest due WON BY DEFAULT as they didn't even bother entering a defence. Barclaycard paid up £184.88.

    MBNA - Concluded £634.31
    Capital One Concluded £148
    Kinda disappointed I've no more banks to go after now...

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    Default ready to send to barclaycard, please advise

    About to send letters to Barclaysicon and Barclaycard.

    I have got the letters, envelopes and postal orders ready

    Can you please confirm after all I’ve read, I’ve got it right

    This is the letter I'm planning on sending


    [your address]

    [their address]

    [DATE]

    Data Protection Act 1998
    Subject access requesticon

    Dear Sir/Madam


    ACCOUNT NUMBER: xxxxxxxxx
    (or multiple numbers if more than one account)

    Please supply me with a complete list of transactions and charges relating to my banking history with your organisation. Alternatively, a complete set of statements for that period will be acceptable.

    Additionally, where there has been any event in my account history over this period which has required manual intervention by any member of your staff, or any other person, I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have either caused or resulted in that manual intervention, or other evidence of that manual intervention in relation to my banking business with you.

    If you are unable to supply this data because there has been no such manual intervention, then please be so kind as to confirm this in your response.

    I enclose the statutory maximum fee of £10. You have 40 days in which to comply. Furthermore, if I discover that you have levied disproportionate penalties against me, then I shall be reclaiming them, and also reclaiming the enclosed £10 Data Protection Act Subject access requesticon fee.

    If there is specific information which you require in order to satisfy yourself as to my identity, please let me know by return. However, please note that the above address is the one which you normally use to communicate my private business to me and which you have hitherto found to be acceptable.
    I would be happy to collect the Data from my local branch.


    Yours faithfully,

    [name]



    To Barclaycard

    Sending the above letter, not adding anything further to it

    Sending to this address

    Barclaycard
    Barclaycard House
    PO Box 5592
    Northampton
    NN4 1ZL

    Sending only one postal for the both accounts made out to Barclaycard

    Addressed with my current Surname with (……) as I was Married 4 years ago

    Detailed 2 accounts, Mastercard and Visacard numbers

    Send by Registered post

    Expect back only 2 years statements

    Wait 40 days and then go to next step


    Barclays Current Account

    Sending the above letter, not adding anything further to it

    Sending to this address

    Barclays Bank PLC
    Office 1
    Churchill Place
    London
    E14 5HP

    Send postal order made payable to Barclays Bank

    Addressed with my current Surname plus (……) as I was Married 4 years ago

    Detail account number

    Send by Registered post

    Expect back 6 yearsicon statements

    Wait 40 days and then go to next step


    I hope I’ve got it right

    Please advise

    Thanks


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    Talking Re: ready to send to barclaycard, please advise

    ive always found it better to take letters into your bank if your able to. then you know who took it and so forth. all you have to do is say can you give this to your branch manager. my girlfriend gave it to woolwich at 11 am she recived blah blah letter following morning. but that is only for your Barclaysicon bank a/c


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    Talking Re: ready to send to barclaycard, please advise

    also reember to take photocopies of evreything you send and try not to get into conversation with people on the telephone.


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    Default me v Barclaycard- highlighter at the ready

    please help

    got the normal response to the S.A.R - (Subject access requesticon) sent to Barclaycard re charges for Mastercard and Visa anly supplied me to may 2004.

    ready to use the spreadsheet on this site (if i can find it again).

    charges listed include

    Exceeded limit - £20
    Late payment charge - £20
    interesticon on standard balance - various
    Interest on cash balance - various
    Cash adv/chq handling fee - £2


    Which charges do I claim for

    Do I just claim back the missing 4 years not given statements for as a guess or do I need to request them gain.

    Thanks


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    Default Please help - very confused

    Please can you help
    Very confused now

    I believe I'm pretty intelligent but I think I've lost the plot now

    Sent SARicon letter to Barclaycard end of July
    Got the normal microfice letter back with statements to May 2004

    Sent the Data Protection Act disclosure request letter (I hope it was the right one to send) stating
    'my request was for statements to August 2000'
    'Smith v Lloydsicon TSB 2005'
    '29 days to reply or county courticon'
    etc

    Have now received a reply saying 'surprised quoted Smith v Lloyds as the case fully supports Barclaycards position' and that 'default charges were not introduced until mid 2001'

    Is this the norm or have I done something wrong.

    Please advise

    Thanks


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    Default Re: Please help - very confused

    This is quite normal, they are stalling. You have a number of options now. Keep reading the Barclaycard threads for updates.

    I am at the end of my tether with Barclarcard, they have a few days left before I file a claim for non-compliance with the DPA.

    In short, your next steps should be to issue a claim against them for non-compliance or to issue a claim estimating your charges. Read this thread, it contains a lot of information on this subject.

    http://www.consumeractiongroup.c o.uk/forum/barclaycard/18251-barclaycard-microfiche-gumph-4.html?highlight=gumph

    And let us know how you get on

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    Default Re: Please help - very confused

    I would suggest that you write back to Barclaycard reinforcing your application under the DPA.

    I believe that they are rejecting your SARicon and if you dont write to them it might cause delays if you try to bring it to court.

    At least thats how i read it, a bit like the Abbeyicon rejection letter.

    Im not sure of value of writing back to them but in my view i can now argue that they ahve no doubt that i rejected tehir assertion that my data is not on a relevant filing system.

    If you want to see what i wrote its on my thread Glenn vs barclaycard

    HTH

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    PS should say I havent heard back from them and dont really expect to.

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    Where were you? Next time please


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    Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07
    Barclaycard - Settled cheque received
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    Lombard Bank - SAR sent 16.02.07
    MBNA are not your friends, they will settle but you need to make sure its on your terms -read here Glenn Vs MBNA

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    Default spreadsheet

    I have highlighted the charges by Barclaycard from the given statements June 2004 until October 2005. There are no charges after that due to me agreeing a paying of £14.00 per month on a balance of £1201.00 and no interesticon added.

    As I am expecting no further statements, am planning an estimate to send to them using the following charges ince June 2004

    Late payment charges : £140
    Exceeded limit charges : £160
    Interest on standard balance (1.456%) - £65
    Interest on cash balance (1.599%) - £210

    questions to be asked please

    - are all the above charges claimable ?
    - given that there have been no charges since November 2005, how far do I claim back and what calculation should I use as an estimate
    - although there are 20 days till the 40 day deadline, should I still send it now given it being unlikely I will receive any more ?
    - this is just one of the cards (have 2), do i make the one claim or a total for the 2 (highlighting each card).
    - how do I change/word the preliminary approach letter to be sent with my spreadsheet to say that August 2000 until May 2004 is an estimate due to not receiving those statements.


    many thanks


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    Default Hills v Barclaycards(s)

    current situation

    sent Barclaycards the S.A.R - (Subject access requesticon)
    normal fob off with 2 years statements
    sent Barclaycard 40 days I want my statements

    1 week to go, no news
    Looks like there will be a 4 year estimate and 2 years fact being sent.

    any advice appreciated

    thanks


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    Default Re: Hills v Barclaycards(s)

    Having a few problems with the spreadsheet

    help please

    Using the advanced excel sheet in order to calculate interesticon on charges owed to me.

    1) When I was messing around with the spreadsheet in the past, i'm sure that when I entered an amount of interest charged, the interest on penalties calculation would be a smaller amount (presumed as it would only take into account the interest on the penalties). But have now started entering the figures properly, and it is showing the full amount of interest is due. What have I done wrong ?

    2) Again on the interest charged columns, it totals the interest charges as it go's along. But for some strange reason, half way down my entries it stops adding any figures to either (k) penalties chargeable to interest and dosn't add the figures to (n) interest on penalties.


    I hope this is understandable and would appreciate any help.

    thanks again.


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    Default Re: Hills v Barclaycards(s)

    Have just completed Barclaysicon Bank spreadsheet for £2,180 and sent approach for payment letter, and am just about to work on BarclayCard Visa and Mastercard.

    I notice that the letter I sent to Barclays is a much longer version than the one under the templates for store/credit cards.

    Is that correct or do I use the longer Barclays letter.

    Thanks


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    Default Re: Hills v Barclaycards(s) - approach letter advice

    I'm just about to send letter to Barclaycard for approach for payments on 2 cards.

    I've amended it slightly to account for it being an estimate, can someone please look over it to make sure I've not added or deleted too much.

    Thanks


    From

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    Barclaycard

    letter before actionicon

    Dear Sir/Madam

    CARD/ACCOUNT NUMBERS : xxx & xxx

    I am writing to ask you to refund to me the charges which you have levied from my accounts since April 2000.

    I now understand that the regime of fees which you have been applying to my account in relation to late fees and over limit charges, are unlawful at Common Law, Statute and recent consumer regulations.

    Additionally, it has now been confirmed that your particularly high level of penalties are considered to be unfair per se by the OFT who reported on the 5th April 2006 and are therefore presumed to be unlawful in the absence of specific proof to the contrary.

    I am frankly shocked that you have operated my account in this way as I had always reposed confidence in your integrity and expertise as my fiduciary.

    You have failed to comply with my Data Protection Act Subject access requesticon dated 31/07/2006 and I have therefore estimated the charges from the missing statements from April 2000 through to April 2004. These estimates are on a pro rata basis taken from the statements you have sent to me.

    You have taken

    £1294.90 from my account xxxxx including interesticon for the sums which you have taken.
    £954.51 from my account xxxx including interest for the sums which you have taken.

    Total amount owed is £2249.41.


    I am enclosing a copy of the schedule of the charges which I am claiming.


    Additionally, you have entered a default notice against my credit record. This default occurred merely in respect of unlawful charges levied by you, or was a result of impecuniosity caused directly by the taking by you of penalty charges which you had applied unlawfully to my accounts.

    In addition to full payment of the sum mentioned above, I require that you remove the default entry from the register. Please note that mere correction or amendmenticon to the entry will not be acceptable.


    I require repayment in full of this money and removal of the default notice. If you do not comply fully within 14 days, I shall begin a claim against you for the full amount plus interest, plus my costs, without further notice.




    Yours faithfully


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    Default Re: Hills v Barclaycards(s)

    Just about to send Barclaycard lbaicon letter and I noticed that I them the LBA letter instead of Prelim letter 14 days ago.

    Havn't heard a word from Barclaycard.

    Anyone suggest what my next letter should be or should i just re send the LBA out again.

    Any advice appreciated.

    Thanks


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    Default wrong letter sent, please advise

    Just about to send Barclaycard lbaicon letter and I noticed that I sent them the LBA letter instead of Prelim letter 14 days ago.

    Havn't heard a word from Barclaycard.

    Anyone suggest what my next letter should be or should i just re send the LBA out again.

    Any advice appreciated.

    Thanks


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    Default Re: wrong letter sent, please advise

    Hi ,hills, I did the same as you, only sent them a lbaicon. I thought that was the correct procedure because that was the only letter for credit cards in the library. My case is slightly different in that they replied within my 14 day limit and as they weren't prepared to give a full refund I went ahead and issued my court claim.

    However I have issued two other court claims against credit cards on the back of one LBA. Not saying it's right but I thought that was the right thing at the time and haven't had any come back (yet). The claims are still pending. One of them has acknowledged the claim and made an offer of settlement.

    It seems to me that if you wrote again and said have another 14 days they might think you have already given us a deadline and you aren't serious? But if you're feeling too uncomfortable with it write again and say I realise I may not have given you long enough to sort this out and I'm giving you a bit longer to do so. Good luck!!


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    Default Re: wrong letter sent, please advise

    The issue is that should the matter get to court you need to be seen to have been as reasonable as possible prior to initiating proceedings.

    Basically it is in your interesticon to give them a month to respond before you commence proceedings. This is the reasonable time period set out in Civil Procedureicon Practice Direction - Protocols 4.3.

    Obviously if they settle before it gets to the court stage this isn't an issue, but better to be safe IMO.




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