talking of Mechanics and ducks - my Mondeo story ended happily recently with me 'low loading' it to a diesel specialist and telling them it sounded as though the 'lift pump' (as I know it now..) may be faulty...

They checked, agreed and fitted a new one - total bill under two hundred squid (incl VAT) - which makes my Local Ford Garage (in Marlow, Bucks) look a bit silly as they reckon they spent (being the operative word!!) three and a half hours doing clever diagnosticky things to it and 'genuinely believed' it would cost £1200 to fix it - new main pump etc....

Two other specialists I spoke to OVER THE PHONE (who never even SAW the car) also thought the problem was with the 'supply pump/lift pump' (which costs around £100) - so how come this Ford Garage who are 'experts' didn't spot it ????

A cynic might suggest there was an attempt to defraud an innocent and ignorant member of the public in there somewhere, but I personally think they were just bloody incompetent

As you see from all the other threads and advice - the answer is rarely your local FORD dealer, but almost certainly IS a Diesel Specialist - always assuming you have a diesel Mondeo:D

I ran a granada diesel for many years and only changed a glow plug. Scrapped it when I retired and bought an 02 mondeo, 87k, on the strength of the granada. Less than one year later, my glow plug light started flashing intermittently; eventually, one morning it failed to start, I had it towed to the local ford dealer, who for £740 changed injector number 2 (fault code P2337), changed the fuel filter, the camshaft sensor and cleaned an earth point.

My problem is this - do they actually know what the fault was - I don't think they would check the injector or the relay, they threw mud at it.

Does anyone have knowledge/experience of home OBD testers please.

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Mondeo TDCi Injector problems.

The characteristics of each injector are programmed into the computer. Now, as the miles build up so does the crap in the injectors and hence their physical characteristics change, but not so the coding in the computer. Eventually the two get completely out of sync, the physical and the logical, and the computer starts flashing fault warnings.

I have had only one injector changed and I am now busily engaged in cleaning out my system in the hope that I can avert further problems.

I've also heard it blamed on the sulphur content in the fuel; the base of the injector gets hammered due to the lack of lubrication. But for me the computer one is so logical.

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Wynn's have now brought out a diesel injector cleaner specifically formulated for common rail engines.

UKOBD supply testers that they claim will work - I have not purchased one. I have no experience of them, the testers that is.

Injector sockets are available for £10/12

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After consideration I think I paid £740 to have a sensor changed.

A camshaft sensor must basically detect four positions, the computer will know the last position and by inference the one coming up. Now if the sensor breaks down, the computer will log the position (injector) at which the failure was detected. The fault diagnosis in the manual will give everything in the chain down to the injector last recorded.

Our trusty Ford mechanic will look in the book and will change everything in the line down to and including the last item in the chain (injector). The guy paying for it, would test/change the cheap easy items first (sensor) and try it; would the trusty Ford mechanic, I think not.

An intermittent camshaft sensor as well as a clogged up injector would probably cause the fault light to come on every now and again. But, when the camshaft sensor totally fails the engine stops; that sensor has to be signaling inlet and exhaust times to the system.

This was the first time in my life I've taken a car to a garage to be fixed - never again.

HI P2337

The fault codes means "Cylinder #2 above Knock Threshold". One faulty injector won't cause a non-start. I doubt whether the camshaft sensor or bad earth would either. There is no Camshaft Relay as far as I know.

Blocked Fuel Filter might cause a non-start though.

I'd offer more help, with the vehicle details, but Freaky Leaky's convinced I'm out to steal your identity using the VIN of your car....................

Hammy

When you have done your checks, pull the fuse to the ecu or disconnect the battery for an hour or so to reset the fault codes in the ecu. (If you disconnect the battery, remember you will loose your radio code as well). This will clear the fault, but if it still exists then it will flag up again and the vehicle will drop back into 'safe or limp home mode' which will reduce power and increase consumption.

I wish I had known this £750 earlier.

Hi everyone,

I have a 52 plate diesel mondeo tdci and this glowplug light problem happened to me last Thursday night, my OH picked me up and drove the car home with no problems. So I drove to work Friday as normal and it happened again, but this time it wouldn't start. GreenFlag came out and thought I was mad as the car started fine when he arrived, fortunately he followed me to work and it cut out again so he towed me to a garage.

All great except I also have another common problem - bonnet not opening!!!

Anyway the garage plugged in the comp, apparently re-set the engine Management settings, and drove it round the block all fine. I drove it home and it conked out again

So dropped it off at garage again this morning for further tests, cross fingers it wont be too pricey.

Its good to know its a common problem and if he cant get a fault desc we can suggest a few things on here.

Hello again

 

I now have the ford bulletin for the glow plug fault codes

on the fuel system, I can email them to anyone whos interested (7 pages)gives full explanation

Do I post email now? Here?

Seems like my problem is well documented- 03 Modeo 133, serviced regularly, real good servant.

On motorway, 70+ flashing glow light, loss of power. Restarted twice that day. Will not start this morning .

Guess I will start with sensor, then call Recovery to tow me to diesel expert. Any info must be of use, right?

Thanks to all.

Hi all,

Had to change the 4th injector on my mondeo TDCI 03 a few months go. Been fine since then ( see earlier post ). Then yesterday car would not start. Left it till today, managed to fire it up. Took it to ford and they said that it has a split pipe on intercooler. They also "think" that injectors 3 and 4 are faulty. I DO NOT have the flashing glow plug this time. Car seems to miss at about 40 - 60 mph and fuel consumption is poor,about 30mpg !!!

FORD want 112 pound to change the pipe. They tell me there are no error codes and had to do a leak test on the injectors. Injectors were ok on 5 mins test but on start up one injector puts in not enough fuel, the other to much. Also said they want to change all 4 even though other 2 not showing any errors!!!!

Are thet talking total s""t and could the split pipe cause this ?? They want 800 pound for 2 injectors !!!!!

DROVE car away to think about next move. Not bad with ony 2 injectors.

Any help please especially any good diesel specialists in Swindon area.

Cheers

Rob

Well mine was fortunately a sensor. Quick fix, and a new grill as they had to break the last one to get the bonet open.

Then Garage looses my key..

Then I use spare key and floor panel on car falling off when driving.

One thing after another

I've got a 51 plate Mondeo TDCI and yesterday the glow plug warning lamp started flashing. I managed to get home but today the car will not start....bugger :angryfire: I need the car for work and from reading previous posts on this subject the cause can be anyone of a number of things. So can anyone recommend a diesel specialists in or around the Manchester area who can sort my car out at a reasonable cost...please don't recommend Ford as i've been burnt by them before. Cheers.

Still struggling. Local garage changed glo-plugs for me, but light still flashing ?injector or diagnostic/computer re-setting necessary. Local man's diagnostic was giving problems - ie; mine came up as a Galaxy on his equipment. So now I am booked in at local ford garageas I have no choice - finger's crossed. The car runs, but is burning diesel

Hi, I ended up with a £75.00 diagnostic bill. No more flashing glo lights.

Hi, I ended up with a £75.00 diagnostic bill. No more flashing glo lights.

For now.

The ecu has picked up a fault and has flagged that fault and indicated there is a fault by flashing a light on the dash.

If you only paid £75 then you have not had the fault rectified, they have reset the ecu.

The ecu will pick up that fault again and start flashing that light again.

Oh I hope not!

My man had fixed things, he said they, Ford, needed to use the diagnostic to re-set/remap the plugs following recent problems.

Got to say it's running smoothly and no more complaints from neighbour regarding the burning diesel!

Greetings,

hi i have a mondeo tdci 2002 eastate..got the dreaded glow plug flashing,,,,car is supposed to be under warranty with supplier..but guess what..the fault is not covered under warranty...they say it needs new glow plugs...servicable items...£180 fitted including diagnostic check...i cant prove its not this but feel very dubios bout the diagnostics after reading all the problems on the internet....guess ill just have to pay..tash

hi i have a mondeo tdci 2002 eastate..got the dreaded glow plug flashing,,,,car is supposed to be under warranty with supplier..but guess what..the fault is not covered under warranty...they say it needs new glow plugs...servicable items...£180 fitted including diagnostic check...i cant prove its not this but feel very dubios bout the diagnostics after reading all the problems on the internet....guess ill just have to pay..tash

latest is..yes it still has another fault..has to go to specialist to find problem...does anyone have a list off codes for these cars?

Hello again

 

I now have the ford bulletin for the glow plug fault codes

on the fuel system, I can email them to anyone whos interested (7 pages)gives full explanation

hi mate any chance you could email me the ford bulletin for glow plugs fault codes on fuel system please many thanks

Just so we all know what we are looking at here, the glow plug warning light is a dual purpose indicator. Yes it glows when the car is started, sometimes, depending on how cold it is this glowing corresponds with the heating of the actual glow plugs, more often than not the glow is just to make the driver feel better!

When it starts flashing this is a visual warning that the engine management sytem has logged a code, it may be a fault, it might not,but it needs looking at.

If a garage I was dealing with said the fix for a flashing glow plug light was replacemnt glow plugs i'd thank them very much and drive off..........quick.

Hammy

Hi Could you please e-mail me this information

many thanks Blazeaway

[email protected]

Hi having read your post relating to the "flashing glow plug syndrome" I think you were well and truly ripped £740 jesus I would have gone ballistic , although having said that I recently purchased a Transit connect which developed the same and having done a lot of research its very apparent that this light is an indicator for a vast amount of problems , mine has cost me the best part of a £1000 up to now !! The van ran for a day after having a part on the pump changed and developed the same problem , its been in the garage since the 19th Dec and the garage doesnt open until the 6th of Jan.They are replacing the injectors and possibly the pump!!! I should add that having spoken to Trading standards I have wrote to the person I purchased the van from and am awaiting his response to my request for a refund for the costs .

Hi,

thanks to everyone contributing to this thread, it really helped me sort out the problem with my car, similar symptoms to several others, loss of power (sometimes completely stalling) and glow plug light flashing. It seemed to happen every time the revs rose above 2000.

The answer was the camshaft position sensor, £15 and five minutes work (after several hours spent searching the net)

Duncan

What the "Hair Oil" is going on with diesels nowadays??? Have just read site on diesel Pugs and others, and it has convinced to sell my new Pic when warranty expires.

Many people were buying diesel cars because they were more reliable than petrol cars---the reason-- very few electricals to go wrong. These sites are full of problems caused by either electrical malfunctions or this fancy new exhaust garbage. I don't believe it's all to do with exhaust ommisions. If the filters are replaced every 6000mls, with high quality units, and perhaps some additive 2-3times a year, depending on milage, then i see no need for all this electronic crap. Between these problems and the higher cost per gallon of diesel, is there any point in spending more money to get one? Maybe just as well to revert to petrol.

Ran a Sierra diesel for years--only once let down with faulty solenoid on fuel pump. Once i was shown where it was, I knew what to do to rectify further problems at no cost. Workmate also had one which had faulty glow plug. He just used Aerostart for a few months until warmer weather came in.

New technology always takes a while to bed in and it is common practice to let the customer do the final reliability testing. There are also a lot more diesels around these days so that must be part of the reason why we see more problems not to mention the fact that forums like this allow you to hear of far more tales of woe (and fixes) than you used to do around work, friends and relatives.

The new regulations mean that an old style diesel would never pass, my old XUD would only just pass the old emissions test even though it ran without a hitch for 180k.

I think it is still cost effective buying a diesel but it is a much closer decision than it used to be, and I would miss the mid range torque if I went back to a petrol.

Duncan

I would be very grateful if you could email me the fault codes. Many thanks.

Hello again

 

I now have the ford bulletin for the glow plug fault codes

on the fuel system, I can email them to anyone whos interested (7 pages)gives full explanation

replaced the cam ans crank sensors, £14 ish and £25ish, from ford, an easy do it yourself job, still gets glow plug light flashing and then cuts out. seems only to do this on hard accelerating or heavy load and ford diagnosed car and replaced injector, just one of them after 5 hours on computer, and still faulty, now what ????

Hello again

 

I now have the ford bulletin for the glow plug fault codes

on the fuel system, I can email them to anyone whos interested (7 pages)gives full explanation

hi could you please forward me this bulletin ta