Hi guys and gals xx

Im not sure this is the right forum but here goes,

I was carrying my 4yr old laptop up the stairs last week and as my hands were a little sweaty i accidentely dropped it down the stairs and it bonced its way to the bottom, After i picked it up it dosnt look like anything has happened to it with no signs of damage, But when i try and switch it on there are lines on the screen and some very funnu noises coming from it, I took it to my local computer shop who took a look at it and advised me that the motherboard was damaged and was not worth repairing and sudgested i claim on my home contents insurance,

As this was a very expensive laptop and im not in the position at the moment to go and buy a new one i thought this was a sensible option and proceded to make a claim with axa insurance who ive been with for over 5yrs and have never had to make a claim,

Anyways, this is where it all goes pear shaped The guy i spoke to was polite and clear and asked me how i had dropped it to which i explained and then told me he would go and check my policy and get back to me in a few mins with more information, After a short time, less that 2 mins i was told that as i had been carrying the laptop up the stairs that i was not covered becouse they dont cover laptops in if there being carried while damaged WTF !!!!!

I explained to him that the whole idea of a laptop was that it was a portable computer and spends most of its life being carried, After 20 mins of getting nowhere with this guy being told the same thing over and over again i put the phone down in disgust,

here is the policy for my insurance and to what i can read and understand , Is that i should be covered, Im absolutely gutted at the moment and have had to borrow a laptop from a friend for work, I use my laptop every day for work and personal use and to be told that my insurance is useless in this matter is a serious blow for me,

If anyone thinks they can help then please do, Thanks

http://www.axani.co.uk/Download/AXA-home-insurance-flexible-summary.pdf

Ok, I have read the full Axa policy document and Axa may be right. They do exclude accidental damage to portable entertainment if damage occurs while being transported, carried or moved. This exclusion is noted under Contents section 16 Entertainment Equipment.

Where you may be covered, if you have the section of cover under your policy. The section of cover is Section D, the extended cover for Personal Belongings and valuables. If you have that section of cover, I can't see that the claim would be excluded. If they say it is excluded, come back with their explanation.

When you arranged the policy, did you speak to someone at Axa ? If so did you mention that you needed to cover the laptop? I mention this, as if Axa have made a mistake in not arranging the cover to suit your needs, then you may have some comeback.

hi and thanks for the reply

I arranged it with direct choice who arew brokers, and yes i asked for accidental damage to equipment, But what if axa say i aint got that in my cover, Can i blaim the broker direct choice??

If you have not got the Section D cover to cover accidental damage to portable equipment e.g Laptop , start an official complaint with Direct Choice. Phone them and ask them for details of their complaints process, saying that you want an official complaint noted, just in case it is necessary to refer to the FOS.

When you arrange cover with a broker, they should have a standard set of questions to ask, to understand your needs in terms of the cover required. If you stated that you wanted accidental damage cover, they should have been aware of the exclusion that related to damage to laptops being moved in the home and recommended the optional Section D cover.

Thanks for the advice, I will get straight on the phone to them in the morning

Hi guys, Update xxx

My insurance company are now willing to pay out on damaged laptop but only if i provide proof that i bought the damm thing in the first palce.

Surely owning the laptop is my proof of purchase, Its not that im claiming for something that i cant provide like a diamond ring thats been stolen,

They are just repeating that i need to provide a reciept of some kind and the problem is that i just dont remember where i bought it from 4yrs ago, Online, store, ect ect, Ive phoned currys and comet where i think i bought it from but theres no way they can trace it without certian detials like date, payment details yada yada

Where do i stand in all of this, Its getting me down Its like im being treated like a criminal

If you search the FOS articles on claims they have dealt with. They advise that owners manuals and other booklets obtained at the time of buying are acceptable proof. You don't have to provide a receipt or bank/credit card statement showing the purchase.

This is a sign of the times I am afraid. Basically you have to prove you are innocent, before they will pay out.

This is just one snippett from a claim the FOS looked at.

"We reminded the insurer that possession of a receipt was not the only means of establishing ownership. If Mr B was unable to ask his friend for the receipt – or for a copy of her credit card statement showing the purchase of the watch – he might be able to produce the guarantee or the box the watch had come in. Or he might have a photograph that clearly showed him wearing the watch. "

so by me havin the back up disks and so on proves i own the item and that should be enough??

Yes provided you can show ownership, then you should be ok.

I think what the Insurers are trying to avoid, is a situation where someone has got hold of an old laptop to make a claim against, so they can get a new replacement.

If Insurers are still being a pain, phone the FOS and see if they will intervene. According to many posts I have read, the FOS are increasingly willing to intervene with Insurers, to avoid people having to needlessly submit a formal complaint later on.

As re Consumer rights and where to get help : Directgov - Government, citizens and rights

Receipts and proof of purchase

You don’t have to have a receipt to get a refund. However a seller can ask you to provide some proof of purchase. This could be a credit card bill or bank statement.

I don't think AXA have a leg to stand on by asking for proof of ownership on an item that is there to be viewed.

The question of insurable interest only tends to come in to play when insured singular items i.e. car insurance.

You could be loaning/borrowing the laptop, and unless made very clear that all items must be owned by you, the policy would still grant you indemnity.

ok, so if you did buy a second hand laptop and claim new, if it is a new for old policy that's AXA's problem.

If it drags on anymore go to FOS.

Thanks everyone, will get back on to them and if they still persist will contact the fos

Cheers xxx

Also if they do accept my claim and the laptop is non repairable and offer me a replacement,

Can i choose a simular spec and keep the hp brand as i dont want to be stuck with some low end rubbish machine as i need it to last,

And like i said i paid nearly a grand for the machine i have now as i use it daily for work and cant afford for it to breakdown,

can someone tell me what the equivelent spec would be in todays laptops

This is the laptop that has been damaged

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=c00702111&product=3204931

If Insurers offer to replace, they may put you in touch with their suppliers. They will have a book which will show the equivalent replacement model. I suspect that they will have HP as an option.

The way I think it works with most suppliers is that they look at where the model fitted in to the HP range i.e. low, mid, high, what the Laptops functions were, size of screen. They will then look to replace with the a model that is in the same range, with the same fuctions etc. They would do it this way, as obviously technology moves on. What would have been a middle range machine at the time of purchase would now be considered in terms of spec, a low end range machine.

If you mention that you use the laptop for business they will ask what it is used for. They could use this as a reason to delay the claim further. If the laptop was purchased purely for business and used away in an office, they will say it should have been Insured by the business.

This is my macjine spec,

Product Specifications HP Pavilion dv8372ea Notebook PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)

can i also state that i want new and nothing refurbished? the people that are dealing with the suppliers of the claim are called bevalued, they sell alot of stuff on ebay so i dont want to end up with someone elses laptop

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can i also state that i want new and nothing refurbished? the people that are dealing with the suppliers of the claim are called bevalued, they sell alot of stuff on ebay so i dont want to end up with someone elses laptop

 

ebay eBay My World - bevalued

 

website BeValued

there's no way they can enforce a refurbished laptop on you if your policy is new for old.

Seems strange to me that they would even try to turn your claim down for dropping it whilst carrying in the first place -it's portable. whats the point of owning a laptop if you dont move around with it?

It's pretty standard for home contents to exclude a portable computers from cover if carried. I'm not sure if it's an exclusion that needs to be brought to a consumers attention.

If it is taken from the house on travels yes. Not really a high value item any more so probaly covered under standard policy.

can i also state that i want new and nothing refurbished? the people that are dealing with the suppliers of the claim are called bevalued, they sell alot of stuff on ebay so i dont want to end up with someone elses laptop

 

ebay eBay My World - bevalued

 

website BeValued

Hi Andy,

I am in a similar situation to you. Can I ask how your claim was resolved? Were you offered a choice of replacements? Did you accept? If so what model did you receive and was it like-for-like?