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Hi,

 

I've started a new petition at Sack Atos Healthcare Immediately Petition

 

The details are as follows:

 

Category: Justice

Region: United Kingdom

Target: David Cameron M.P. Nick Clegg M.P.

 

Background (Preamble):

Atos Healthcare has the £80million-per-year contract for 7 years to act for Department of Work & Pensions (DWP) to 'assess' sick people claiming Employment Support Allowance (ESA). They have been working to the previous government's target of pushing 1 million claimants onto Jobseekers' Allowance, and there are some well-documented abuses of vulnerable individuals such as refusing to allow note-taking or tape-recording of the assessment, failing to report truthfully where the claimant has demonstrated incapacity, inadequate facilities for those who are ill during an assessment, a computer system which gives garbled versions of examinations to DWP and various other abuses.

 

Petition:

"We, the undersigned, call upon Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg to terminate Atos Healthcare's contract with immediate effect, to pay the enhanced rate to all claimants whose claim is over 13 weeks old and to pay basic rate ESA to all other claimants.

 

We call for a return to family doctors as the primary source of information as to whether an individual is too sick to work, not a profit-driven plc.

 

We further call for a new approach to the sick by government whereby such vulnerable people cease to be treated as 'scroungers' particularly when many of these individuals as taxpayers have paid into the NHS, in some cases for many years

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Hi,

 

I've started a new petition at http://www.gopetition.com/online/3696.html

 

The details are as follows:

 

Category: Justice

Region: United Kingdom

Target: David Cameron M.P. Nick Clegg M.P.

 

Background (Preamble):

Atos Healthcare has the £80million-per-year contract for 7 years to act for Department of Work & Pensions (DWP) to 'assess' sick people claiming Employment Support Allowance (ESA). They have been working to the previous government's target of pushing 1 million claimants onto Jobseekers' Allowance, and there are some well-documented abuses of vulnerable individuals such as refusing to allow note-taking or tape-recording of the assessment, failing to report truthfully where the claimant has demonstrated incapacity, inadequate facilities for those who are ill during an assessment, a computer system which gives garbled versions of examinations to DWP and various other abuses.

 

Petition:

"We, the undersigned, call upon Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg to terminate Atos Healthcare's contract with immediate effect, to pay the enhanced rate to all claimants whose claim is over 13 weeks old and to pay basic rate ESA to all other claimants.

 

We call for a return to family doctors as the primary source of information as to whether an individual is too sick to work, not a profit-driven plc.

 

We further call for a new approach to the sick by government whereby such vulnerable people cease to be treated as 'scroungers' particularly when many of these individuals as taxpayers have paid into the NHS, in some cases for many years

 

Here Here THE WHOLE ESA SOULD BE GONE ASWELL.

 

Hi Victim

 

your petition link seems to come up with

 

Save the Dogs Worldwide!

 

Libro

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Hi,

 

I've started a new petition at http://www.gopetition.com/online/3696.html

 

The details are as follows:

 

Category: Justice

Region: United Kingdom

Target: David Cameron M.P. Nick Clegg M.P.

 

Background (Preamble):

Atos Healthcare has the £80million-per-year contract for 7 years to act for Department of Work & Pensions (DWP) to 'assess' sick people claiming Employment Support Allowance (ESA).

Sorry to be a party pooper but the fact is that the 7 year contract (Signed in 2005 FYI) is for £500million and the annual amount can fluctuate, also FYI ATOS have the option on extending the contract a further 5 years.
They have been working to the previous government's target of pushing 1 million claimants onto Jobseekers' Allowance, and there are some well-documented abuses of vulnerable individuals such as refusing to allow note-taking or tape-recording of the assessment, failing to report truthfully where the claimant has demonstrated incapacity, inadequate facilities for those who are ill during an assessment, a computer system which gives garbled versions of examinations to DWP and various other abuses.

 

Petition:

"We, the undersigned, call upon Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg to terminate Atos Healthcare's contract with immediate effect, to pay the enhanced rate to all claimants whose claim is over 13 weeks old and to pay basic rate ESA to all other claimants.

 

We call for a return to family doctors as the primary source of information as to whether an individual is too sick to work, not a profit-driven plc.

 

We further call for a new approach to the sick by government whereby such vulnerable people cease to be treated as 'scroungers' particularly when many of these individuals as taxpayers have paid into the NHS, in some cases for many years

Agreed that ATOS should be sacked but they'll only get replaced by another firm who might be even worse while ESA and the Welfare Reform Act 2007 remain in place.

 

P.S. Libro's right about the doggies link!

I'm not a qualified welfare rights adviser, but I'm planning on becoming one. I'm no substitute for more competent advice from trained CAB and welfare rights workers - [URL="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/benefits-tax-credits-minimum/127741-benefits-advice.html"]see this post[/URL] by Joa, great advice and links! I've been running a Crisis Loan campaign and help since Jan 2007 . See my annotations c/o "theyworkforyou". I'm also currently interested by the recent DWP Medical Services reform and the effect this is having on valid claims, seriously - someone needs to be keeping a suicide count.

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Sorry to be a party pooper but the fact is that the 7 year contract (Signed in 2005 FYI) is for £500million and the annual amount can fluctuate, also FYI ATOS have the option on extending the contract a further 5 years.Agreed that ATOS should be sacked but they'll only get replaced by another firm who might be even worse while ESA and the Welfare Reform Act 2007 remain in place.

 

P.S. Libro's right about the doggies link!

 

 

Hi Loan and victim

 

I found the right link to victims petition...

 

Sack Atos Healthcare Immediately Petition

 

Libro

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Yep, I've helped save the dogs ... :confused:

Best wishes

Rae

 

[EDIT: Thanks Libro, first signature on the petition... :) ]

 

Rae

im second on the list you beat me rae lol:grin:

Libro

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Hi Libro and Kelcou,

 

Ooops embarrassed - don't know where i got the dogs link from :oops: but thanks for correct link and for signing it

 

Take your point about the extendable contract and the variable rate, libro, but quoted the stats readily available on internet.

 

John x

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Signed Number 11.

 

PF

Finally if you succeed with your claim please consider a donation to consumer action group as those donations keep this site alive.

 R.I.P BOB aka ROOSTER-UK you have always been a Gent on these boards and you will be remembered for that.

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Hi,

 

I've started a new petition at http://www.gopetition.com/online/3696.html

 

The details are as follows:

 

Category: Justice

Region: United Kingdom

Target: David Cameron M.P. Nick Clegg M.P.

 

Background (Preamble):

Atos Healthcare has the £80million-per-year contract for 7 years to act for Department of Work & Pensions (DWP) to 'assess' sick people claiming Employment Support Allowance (ESA). They have been working to the previous government's target of pushing 1 million claimants onto Jobseekers' Allowance, and there are some well-documented abuses of vulnerable individuals such as refusing to allow note-taking or tape-recording of the assessment, failing to report truthfully where the claimant has demonstrated incapacity, inadequate facilities for those who are ill during an assessment, a computer system which gives garbled versions of examinations to DWP and various other abuses.

 

Petition:

"We, the undersigned, call upon Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg to terminate Atos Healthcare's contract with immediate effect, to pay the enhanced rate to all claimants whose claim is over 13 weeks old and to pay basic rate ESA to all other claimants.

 

We call for a return to family doctors as the primary source of information as to whether an individual is too sick to work, not a profit-driven plc.

 

We further call for a new approach to the sick by government whereby such vulnerable people cease to be treated as 'scroungers' particularly when many of these individuals as taxpayers have paid into the NHS, in some cases for many years

 

This is excellent work mate , I will sign it with immediate effect.

Come on folks lets get this going and we can give this company what it deserves.

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Finally if you succeed with your claim please consider a donation to consumer action group as those donations keep this site alive.

 R.I.P BOB aka ROOSTER-UK you have always been a Gent on these boards and you will be remembered for that.

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There you go fixed.

Finally if you succeed with your claim please consider a donation to consumer action group as those donations keep this site alive.

 R.I.P BOB aka ROOSTER-UK you have always been a Gent on these boards and you will be remembered for that.

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The Link to this thread needs pasting around the internet

 

PF

Finally if you succeed with your claim please consider a donation to consumer action group as those donations keep this site alive.

 R.I.P BOB aka ROOSTER-UK you have always been a Gent on these boards and you will be remembered for that.

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The Link to this thread needs pasting around the internet

 

PF

 

How do we do that mate , what sites , lets get to it as most do not know about the petition like you say unless they come on here.

Wonder if we could contact any tabliods and tv as well :confused:

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Is it me but every time i click I keep getting redirected to

 

 

 

save the Dogs Worldwide! petition

It's a dodgy link, try here:

Sack Atos Healthcare Immediately Petition

 

Ta for saving a dog:D

I'm not a qualified welfare rights adviser, but I'm planning on becoming one. I'm no substitute for more competent advice from trained CAB and welfare rights workers - [URL="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/benefits-tax-credits-minimum/127741-benefits-advice.html"]see this post[/URL] by Joa, great advice and links! I've been running a Crisis Loan campaign and help since Jan 2007 . See my annotations c/o "theyworkforyou". I'm also currently interested by the recent DWP Medical Services reform and the effect this is having on valid claims, seriously - someone needs to be keeping a suicide count.

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BBC Scotland's "Whos Cheating Who" documentary has been uploaded to YouTube:

YouTube - Who's Cheating Who - PART 1/3

 

Regards, Paul.

I'm not a qualified welfare rights adviser, but I'm planning on becoming one. I'm no substitute for more competent advice from trained CAB and welfare rights workers - [URL="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/benefits-tax-credits-minimum/127741-benefits-advice.html"]see this post[/URL] by Joa, great advice and links! I've been running a Crisis Loan campaign and help since Jan 2007 . See my annotations c/o "theyworkforyou". I'm also currently interested by the recent DWP Medical Services reform and the effect this is having on valid claims, seriously - someone needs to be keeping a suicide count.

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Hi,

 

I've started a new petition at http://www.gopetition.com/online/3696.html

 

The details are as follows:

 

Category: Justice

Region: United Kingdom

Target: David Cameron M.P. Nick Clegg M.P.

 

Background (Preamble):

Atos Healthcare has the £80million-per-year contract for 7 years to act for Department of Work & Pensions (DWP) to 'assess' sick people claiming Employment Support Allowance (ESA). They have been working to the previous government's target of pushing 1 million claimants onto Jobseekers' Allowance, and there are some well-documented abuses of vulnerable individuals such as refusing to allow note-taking or tape-recording of the assessment, failing to report truthfully where the claimant has demonstrated incapacity, inadequate facilities for those who are ill during an assessment, a computer system which gives garbled versions of examinations to DWP and various other abuses.

 

Petition:

"We, the undersigned, call upon Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg to terminate Atos Healthcare's contract with immediate effect, to pay the enhanced rate to all claimants whose claim is over 13 weeks old and to pay basic rate ESA to all other claimants.

 

We call for a return to family doctors as the primary source of information as to whether an individual is too sick to work, not a profit-driven plc.

 

We further call for a new approach to the sick by government whereby such vulnerable people cease to be treated as 'scroungers' particularly when many of these individuals as taxpayers have paid into the NHS, in some cases for many years

 

I've checked the links it's about saving dogs not that I would not save an animal but I can't see anything relate to ESA.

 

I found the links.

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@ 45002 & pompeyfaith,

 

Hi 45003

Am very sorry for incorrect link - I took the address from the gopetition site not realising that I was still on the 'dogs' page. I've added the correct link to my signature on here.

 

Thanks for wishing to sign petition and please do try the correct link.

 

Hi pompeyfaith,

 

Yes, if we could publicise it on the broader internet I'm all for it.

 

BTW, I'm only just learning forums and blogging, have only public library access on occasional days and have very low energy levels some days (weepy violin plays lol) Joking aside, I mention this only in case ppl think I'm not committed because I'm only on here every so often or if I can't reply to a post or PM. Also please bear with me - as a newby I'm making my share of mistakes.

 

Thanks to everyone who has signed the petition so far x

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