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    • the Town and Country [advertisments ] Regulations 2007 are not easy to understand. Most Council planing officials don't so it's good that you found one who knows. Although he may not have been right if the rogues have not been "controlling" in the car park for that long. The time only starts when the ANPR signs go up, not how long the area has been used as a car park.   Sadly I have checked Highview out and they have been there since at least 2014 . I have looked at the BPA Code of Practice version 8 which covers 2023 and that states Re Consideration and Grace Periods 13.3 Where a parking location is one where a limited period of parking is permitted, or where drivers contract to park for a defined period and pay for that service in advance (Pay & Display), this would be considered as a parking event and a Grace Period of at least 10 minutes must be added to the end of a parking event before you issue a PCN. It then goes on to explain a bit more further down 13.5 You must tell us the specific consideration/grace period at a site if our compliance team or our agents ask what it is. 13.6 Neither a consideration period or a grace period are periods of free parking and there is no requirement for you to offer an additional allowance on top of a consideration or grace period. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________So you have  now only overstayed 5 minutes maximum since BPA quote a minimum of 10 minutes. And it may be that the Riverside does have a longer period perhaps because of the size of the car park? So it becomes even more incumbent on you to remember where the extra 5 minutes could be.  Were you travelling as a family with children or a disabled person where getting them in and out of the car would take longer. Was there difficulty finding a space, or having to queue to get out of the car park . Or anything else that could account for another 5 minutes  without having to claim the difference between the ANPR times and the actual times.
    • Regarding a driver, that HAS paid for parking but input an incorrect Vehicle Registration Number.   This is an easy mistake to make, especially if a driver has access to more than one vehicle. First of all, upon receiving an NTK/PCN it is important to check that the Notice fully complies with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 before deciding how to respond of course. The general advice is NOT to appeal to the Private Parking Company as, for example, you may identify yourself as driver and in certain circumstances that could harm your defence at a later stage. However, after following a recent thread on this subject, I have come to the conclusion that, in the case of inputting an incorrect Vehicle Registration Number, which is covered by “de minimis” it may actually HARM your defence at a later stage if you have not appealed to the PPC at the first appeal stage and explained that you DID pay for parking and CAN provide proof of parking, it was just that an incorrect VRN was input in error. Now, we all know that the BPA Code of Practice are guidelines from one bunch of charlatans for another bunch of charlatans to follow, but my thoughts are that there could be problems in court if a judge decides that a motorist has not followed these guidelines and has not made an appeal at the first appeal stage, therefore attempting to resolve the situation before it reaches court. From BPA Code of Practice: Section 17:  Keying Errors B) Major Keying Errors Examples of a major keying error could include: • Motorist entered their spouse’s car registration • Motorist entered something completely unrelated to their registration • Motorist made multiple keying errors (beyond one character being entered incorrectly) • Motorist has only entered a small part of their VRM, for example the first three digits In these instances we would expect that such errors are dealt with appropriately at the first appeal stage, especially if it can be proven that the motorist has paid for the parking event or that the motorist attempted to enter their VRM or were a legitimate user of the car park (eg a hospital patient or a patron of a restaurant). It is appreciated that in issuing a PCN in these instances, the operator will have incurred charges including but not limited to the DVLA fee and other processing costs therefore we believe that it is reasonable to seek to recover some of these costs by making a modest charge to the motorist of no more than £20 for a 14-day period from when the keying error was identified before reverting to the charge amount at the point of appeal. Now, we know that the "modest charge" is unenforceable in law, however, it would be up to the individual if they wanted to pay and make the problem go away or in fact if they wanted to contest the issue in court. If the motorist DOES appeal to the PPC explaining the error and the PPC rejects the appeal and the appeal fails, the motorist can use that in his favour at court.   Defence: "I entered the wrong VRN by mistake Judge, I explained this and I also submitted proof of payment for the relevant parking period in my appeal but the PPC wouldn't accept that"   If the motorist DOES NOT appeal to the PPC in the first instance the judge may well use that as a reason to dismiss the case in the claimant's favour because they may decide that they had the opportunity to resolve the matter at a much earlier stage in the proceedings. It is my humble opinion that a motorist, having paid and having proof of payment but entering the wrong VRN, should make an appeal at the first appeal stage in order to prevent problems at a later stage. In this instance, I think there is nothing to be gained by concealing the identity of the driver, especially if at a later stage, perhaps in court, it is said: “I (the driver) entered the wrong VRN.” Whether you agree or not, it is up to the individual to decide …. but worth thinking about. Any feedback, especially if you can prove to the contrary, gratefully received.
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Has anyone noticed the amount of defaults and terminations being handed out since January?

 

Has anyone noticed the amount of account going to MKDP LLP? (especially ones that would normally need court to repo)

Why not Lewis?

 

Just an observation

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Name & Registered Office:

MKDP LLP

TRADE PRO HOUSE SEEBECK PLACE

KNOWLHILL

MILTON KEYNES

BUCKINGHAMSHIRE

MK5 8FR

Company No. OC349372

Status: Active

Date of Incorporation: 16/10/2009

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

 

Company Type: Limited Liability Partnership

Nature of Business (SIC(03)):

None Supplied

 

Accounting Reference Date: 30/06

Last Accounts Made Up To: (NO ACCOUNTS FILED)

Next Accounts Due: 30/03/2011

Last Return Made Up To:

Next Return Due: 13/11/2010

 

Previous Names:

No previous name information has been recorded over the last 20 years.

 

UK Establishment Details

There are no UK Establishments associated with this company.

 

Oversea Company Info

There are no Oversea Details associated with this company.

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Case 1 - C L Finance - Court Case 'Stayed' :-). Stay Lifted - N149 AQ Received & Filed. Case Struck Out :grin:

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Case 2 - C L Finance - Defence Filed. N150 AQ Received & Filed. Case 'Settled by Consent' :)

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Case 3 - EOS Solutions - No Agreement - Account Closed ~£3500. :grin:

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Lewis as I understand it are part of Cattles.

MKDP LLP is a new company, so may have been created to replace them as Cattles is struggling.

I think Welcome will start farming accounts out to them as they are part of Cattles as well. (Just a strange feeling I have).....

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Case 1 - C L Finance - Court Case 'Stayed' :-). Stay Lifted - N149 AQ Received & Filed. Case Struck Out :grin:

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Case 2 - C L Finance - Defence Filed. N150 AQ Received & Filed. Case 'Settled by Consent' :)

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Case 3 - EOS Solutions - No Agreement - Account Closed ~£3500. :grin:

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I dont think they have any other option its a sinking ship and they need to get in as much money as they can for the next accounts return.

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My feeling is they are starting to gasp for air so dishing out what they can whilst they can....

 

I have no doubt MKDP LLP has something to do with this ****** lot coz who else would even want to touch these godawful dodgy agreements!

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The question is what is really instore for us?, as you say Beyond no decent firms would touch welscum accounts, so what are these companies like? Makes you think.

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I agree bebo

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They can sell mine to Willy Wonka still not getting anything out of me

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Could there be an element of truth in Bailiff2 thread (Below)?

 

 

I reading these forums and you are all slagging off Welcome Finance. The reason you are all screwing is that YOU are so rubbish in saving money and have the worst credit rating. If you paid your debts in the first place you would be able to get credit elsewhere. I work for Cattles and we refer to you lot as scutters, with a live today-pay tomorrow attitude.

For your info Cattles which is Welcome Finance and is winding up. This means only one thing Accounts that ARE paying - These debt will be sold onto decent banks for collection. Accounts that DONT pay or are in arrears will be passed onto to debt collectionlink3.gif agencies

This bit I will look forward to as you will get more hastle and greef from them. But I will put my wages on it, most of you cop outs will go to debt managment agencies or CAB just like the advert between Trisha tells you too.

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Is certainly possible of course but again there are regulations we are protected by if they choose to ignore them we have the knowledge that they arent meeting these requirements and can do something about it

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Could there be an element of truth in Bailiff2 thread (Below)?

 

 

I reading these forums and you are all slagging off Welcome Finance. The reason you are all screwing is that YOU are so rubbish in saving money and have the worst credit rating. If you paid your debts in the first place you would be able to get credit elsewhere. I work for Cattles and we refer to you lot as scutters, with a live today-pay tomorrow attitude.

For your info Cattles which is Welcome Finance and is winding up. This means only one thing Accounts that ARE paying - These debt will be sold onto decent banks for collection. Accounts that DONT pay or are in arrears will be passed onto to debt collectionlink3.gif agencies

This bit I will look forward to as you will get more hastle and greef from them. But I will put my wages on it, most of you cop outs will go to debt managment agencies or CAB just like the advert between Trisha tells you too.

 

Element of TRUTH??? From these ****!!! How Negative Can You Get??? I`m off to bed. *UCK `EM ALL!!! I Thought We were Here To see Them DIE??? Not Start Giving Them Some Grain Of Comfort To Hang On To!!!

 

They Even Create Their Own New Debt Collection Agencies NOW!!!

 

Cheers, MARK

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Element of TRUTH??? From these ****!!! How Negative Can You Get??? I`m off to bed. *UCK `EM ALL!!! I Thought We were Here To see Them DIE??? Not Start Giving Them Some Grain Of Comfort To Hang On To!!!

 

They Even Create Their Own New Debt Collection Agencies NOW!!!

 

Cheers, MARK

 

Mind the blood pressure huni ;)

 

Think we all just feeling abit lost....

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That wasn't intended to offend and certainly not give welscum any hope, I say things as they are Mark and to me welscum are selling off accounts the announcement from cattles said welcome will be winding down over 2 years, wether our accounts are good or bad they will go somewhere. Negative or not this is what is happening.

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Could there be an element of truth in Bailiff2 thread (Below)?

 

 

I reading these forums and you are all slagging off Welcome Finance. The reason you are all screwing is that YOU are so rubbish in saving money and have the worst credit rating. If you paid your debts in the first place you would be able to get credit elsewhere. I work for Cattles and we refer to you lot as scutters, with a live today-pay tomorrow attitude.

For your info Cattles which is Welcome Finance and is winding up. This means only one thing Accounts that ARE paying - These debt will be sold onto decent banks for collection. Accounts that DONT pay or are in arrears will be passed onto to debt collectionlink3.gif agencies

This bit I will look forward to as you will get more hastle and greef from them. But I will put my wages on it, most of you cop outs will go to debt managment agencies or CAB just like the advert between Trisha tells you too.

 

Its spelt GRIEF

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Its spelt GRIEF

 

 

shows how educated welcome staff are doesnt it!

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Letter from MKDP last week, couldnt resist a phone call to point out their errors, young chap on other end of phone did concur they are welcome but a new company, also concured they had no enforcable agreement etc, they were told quite clearly to take of the unrequired gap insurance they miss sold and we would settle in full.

 

Today letter from Willen, same address etc, do they think we a stoooooopid???

 

however they addressed the letter to a neighbours house! Hmmmm oh dear oh dear.

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Could there be an element of truth in Bailiff2 thread (Below)?

 

 

I reading these forums and you are all slagging off Welcome Finance. The reason you are all screwing is that YOU are so rubbish in saving money and have the worst credit rating. If you paid your debts in the first place you would be able to get credit elsewhere. I work for Cattles and we refer to you lot as scutters, with a live today-pay tomorrow attitude.

For your info Cattles which is Welcome Finance and is winding up. This means only one thing Accounts that ARE paying - These debt will be sold onto decent banks for collection. Accounts that DONT pay or are in arrears will be passed onto to debt collectionlink3.gif agencies

This bit I will look forward to as you will get more hastle and greef from them. But I will put my wages on it, most of you cop outs will go to debt managment agencies or CAB just like the advert between Trisha tells you too.

 

AND TO SELL SETTLED DEBTS ASWELLL IS THAT LEGAL

AND HARASSMENT AND THREATS ARE ILLEGAL

AND THATS ALL YOU CAN DO! BEFORE YOU CALL PEOPLE TAKE A LONG LOOK AT YOURSELFS AND YOUR ILLEGAL PRACTICES!!!!!!!!!!

AND THE LAW IS THERE TO PROTECT FROM THE LIKES OF WELCOME AND YES CAR

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might be worth spending a couple of quid getting full details on MKDP from Companies house to find out who the head honchos are.

 

 

good point there dibbo!

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