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    Default Help with Recalling a Decree and defending it.

    Hi in 2004 I voluntarily terminated a hire purchase agreement with British Credit Trust and handed the vehicle back to their appointed agent after having played back over half of the amount owed, in accordance with the terms of the agreement. Everything seemed to be ok until about 2 months after when bct claimed I had defaulted on the agreement because I had paid less than 50% and I therefore had to pay the £3,400 outstanding. I disputed this and they were forced to concede I was correct. About 3 months later they sent a coppy of the auctioneers report and claimed I was in default as the vehicle had accident damage and was in poor condition . Again I disputed this and pointed out that when I handed over the vehicle it was roadworthy and in good condition for its age also it had no accident damage. I also pointed out that it was the responsibility of their agent to document any defects or damage at the time they collected the vehicle from me (I used to collect and deliver vehicles for a living).

    That was the last I heard for over a year until in 2006 a company called Marlin Financial informed me they had taken over the debt. I contacted them and informed them that I had disputed the debt with bct and it was my belief that bct should not have sold on the debt whilst it was disputed. Marlin said they would look into it and I heard nothing more for 6 months until MCE portfolio informed me that they had taken over the debt. I contacted them and stated my position and heard nothing further. I have had several changes of address during this time but assumed the matter to be closed.
    In December last year I received a letter from a firm of solicitors informing me they had obtained a decree against me on behalf of MCE. I contacted Edinburgh Sheriffs Court and was initially told that there was no case on record but have just discovered that the decree was granted in 2008. I have the forms to ask for a recall but I no longer have any of the paperwork relating to this matter. Could someone please advise me on the best way to go about gathering the information I need to defend my self?


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    Default re: Help with Recalling a Decree and defending it.

    Hello and Welcome,

    Another Mod, IdaInFife's the best one to help you, she's not on-line at the moment but I'll ask her to have a look at this thread when she is.

    This thread might help in the meantime........

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    Default re: Help with Recalling a Decree and defending it.

    Hiya,

    Was the decree sent to your address?


    You would need to send a SARicon to BCT - this should get you all the info payments and corres that you need.

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    Thanks for responding, I assume the decree was sent to my previous address. I only found about it from the solicitors letter demanding payment that I received in December last year. When I contacted Edinburgh Sheriffs court they initially told me that there was no record of the Decree. I checked my credit file with Experian and there was nothing showing. I received a further letter last week saying that as I had not responded (as advised by a solicitor) they were going to instruct Sheriffs officers to proceed against me. I contacted the court again and they managed to confirm there was a decree granted against me. I discovered that Equifax has the Decree recorded but it's still not showing on Experian. I will send the SARicon request immediately.


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    Ok

    Go ahead with the recall. ( please try and make sure you have proof that you resided at antoher address i.e. CT billes etc and keep copies as you may or may not need these.

    If and when the decree is recalled and then the balls starts again then you can ask for copies of docs etc but I would recommend sending a SARicon asap as sometimes these can produce other things

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    Default re: Help with Recalling a Decree and defending it.

    Thanks Ida I'll get right on it


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    Default re: Help with Recalling a Decree and defending it.

    I have sent a SARicon to bct and have submitted my minute of recall to the Court. I have been given a date in 2 weeks time but am worried that I will have no information back from the SARicon by then. I currently have no paperwork relating to the hire purchase and am not 100% certain of what year I bought the car. I can outline events that led to the dispute but will my word alone carry any weight?


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    Default re: Help with Recalling a Decree and defending it.

    ok

    we need to know exactly what the hearing is?

    what kind of judgement was it, small, ordinary or summary cause?

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    Hi Ida, the hearing is a summary cause recall of decree. Thanks again for all your time and effort. Its greatly appreciated :grin:


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    ok, this is just for the recall and then what happens they would need to the re-serve the original paperwork and that's when you need to start work

    for now I would start reading some threads

    http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...rt-wf-all.html

    this will show you how to prepare incidental application - asking for docs etc and how the process goes
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    Today I received a Notice of intention to Serve Charge and Attachment from mce portfolios sols followed 10 mins later by a phone callicon from a Sheriffs officer to say they had successfully served my minute of recall and that I can collect the certificate. Am I right in thinking that everything will be put on hold on hold until the hearing or is there anything else I need to be doing?


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    yes, no enforcement can be taken until after the motion for recall.

    It may actually be best to start on your incidental application - dependant on the judge - some will grant the recall and fix a date to start again or some will ask for it go ahead there and then but because you don't have the info you need you can ask for another date until you get the info so might be best going armed with an IA to keep that step ahead

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    Thanks again Ida. Win, loose or draw I'm starting to enjoy this


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    I've had a response from BCT to my SARicon saying they've cashed my PO but will be sending me a Cheque for £10. They closed the account on 7/12/2005 and sold it to Marlin finacial on the same day. They no longer hold the information I require and have only "salutary" details on file.

    Do I accept this or keep pressing?


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    ok.... that's okay .....


    you can ask for everything in the incidental appliaction

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    Thanks Ida, if bct don't send me a cheque for the £10 can I send a DCAicon after them ?


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    lol

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    I had my decree recalled this morning. Sheriff ordered MCE to hand over a copy of the original agreement and all correspondence and phone transcripts. I take it this would count as an incidental application or do I need to go further? Date has been set for 21st of April. On a personal note I would much rather step back into the ring than go to court. I got exactly the same rush of adrenaline but, apparently, I'm not allowed to punch anyone


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    well done,

    did you actually hand over a incedental application?

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    Default re: Help with Recalling a Decree and defending it.

    Hi Ida, I didn't hand over an IA, the Sheriff directed MCE to provide me with copy's of the original agreement and all correspondence they hold relating to the account. She set a date of 21st of April than asked MCEs Sol if that was sufficient time for them to comply.



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