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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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Hi, I have received a letter today which is a debt recovery notice for £80 for non payment of SORN declaration. It says I must pay the debt immediately otherwise legal action will commence and the car will be impounded. It also says I can end up with a minimum fine of £1000.

 

Here come the problems.

 

I now receive £55 per week Job Seekers Allowance, I have no assets or savings with which to pay the fine.

 

I don't have the car, it was stolen about 2 years ago and suffered major damage after it was crashed into a bridge, it was a write off and when it was recovered by a garage I couldn't pay their fine so didn't call them.

 

After getting on the property ladder for the first time I became the target of many crimes which destroyed my mental health, the worst of which was being burgled four times and my car being stolen. My car and house was damaged multiple times as well as being the victim of many incidents of antisocial behaviour. I now have massive debts, the house was eventually repossessed after I paid the 25 yr repayment mortgage for 3 years and I lost the £10k deposit I put down on the house after I was unable to work due to my health suffering through being the victim of endless crimes. I still owe £26k on the house and have total debts of around of £40k including the £7k loan I spent improving the house.

 

I couldn't claim on insurance for the car as I had left the keys in the door. I paid £460 for the car, the police gave me the number for the garage at the time and said the car had been severely smashed up when it hit a bridge and said I owed the garage about £270 for recovering the car. At the time my income was £40 a week income support, I had no way to pay the fine and no way to get to the car, it was found about 40 miles away in a different county. I did not call the garage as I didn't know how I would pay the fine. I presumed they had just declared it as scrap and got whatever they could off the car to try to get their money back for recovering it. I have never been able to afford to get back on the road again with another car.

 

My mental health is very poor, I think about suicide all the time, and would struggle to able to work, I am signed off sick by my doctor. I had everything going for me, and lost everything due to crime. One time I had no benefits or money for food and was refused a crisis loan so I threw away a lot of my stuff including all paperwork I had as I was prepared to end it all and still am.

 

What do I do? I have no car, no proof it was scrapped, no paperwork, no log book and am unable to pay the £80 fine they have issued me at my new address. I used to earn £600 per week, had my own car, home, now I have £55 a week to try and live off. Please somebody advise me the best course of action to take regarding this fine for non-SORN declaration.

 

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As I only had third party insurance on the car, left the keys in the door and was not driving at the time, I was such a mess I didn't even contact the insurance company myself, nobody asked me for my insurance details. At the time I ended up in a terrible state due to everything that had happened, I used to shake uncontrollably and didn't live up to my responsibilities and just left everything as I couldn't cope whatsoever. As I left the keys in the door, the police told me that would invalidate an insurance claim as it was my own fault and I was responsible, I would just cower and cry for months on end in the corner of the room contemplating how best to kill myself, I did not care about anything. I didn't know how I would pay the £270 recovery fine and all the other bills and fines that were mounting, I just hid away from everything hoping it would all go away. The car was registered in my name, taxed and had third party insurance at the time. This happened about 2 years ago now and I have no paperwork anywhere.

 

In retrospect, I guess my main error then was not notifying the insurance company due to extremely poor mental health and hoping it would sort itself out. What do I do now? What is going to happen to me?

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Since the garage scrapped the car, they had a duty of care to report the car to the DVLA as scrapped. It might be worthwhile contacting them to ask why this had not been done. You need proof from them that the car has been scrapped and on what date.

 

With this, you'll probably get the fine waived.

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Hi, thanks for the replies.

 

I have no idea which garage took away my mashed up old car, it was very far away me.

 

Do you think the police would still have that information two years on if I asked them for it again? If I contact the garage they are probably going to fine me too for the recovery charges, but at least I won't end up at magistrates court for it and it will get DVLA off my back.

 

I have just read some interesting information on this page:

 

What to do if your vehicle is scrapped or written off : Directgov - Motoring

 

It says on a certificate of destruction the dvla is notified, it seems without a COD I am going to have to get a replacement registration document and then notify the DVLA that I no longer have ownership of the vehicle, the garage has probably scrapped it for spare parts without getting a certificate of destruction.

 

I will write to the police and see what information they have on their records and try to get a replacement v5 document. Apparently it costs £25 which is 50% of my weekly income. I may goto CAB for help once I get the replacement logbook and put a doctors letter in with it as well as whatever information I get from the police and the garage concerned.

 

Rip off Britain, too much yobbish behaviour from youths to try to make a living, I had more money the day I was born. The entire system works against you when you lose your mental health and just kicks you while you're down.

 

Thank you both for your help, I will try to do what I can.

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This doesn't help your issue with a fine, but there is little point paying for a replacement V5C when all you wish to do is advise them of the vehicle's scrapping. WRITE to DVLA, stating that on XX date, the vehicle registration number XXXX was involved in an accident and was scrapped. You are therefore formally advising that the vehicle has been destroyed, and would like the DVLA to note this on their records.

 

There's a possibility that once this is processed, you might find that as their claim for tax comes after this, you'll be able to argue none is payable.

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hi i have just been slapped with a 80 quid fine and dvla have never had my sorn form and they say if i have not recieved an acknowledgement letter its my fault im too busy to interact with them specially as i sent the form they blame the royal mail for not getting it so why cant i blame the royal mail for not getting their acknwledgment letter ! has anyone gone futher than this?

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