Patricia Pearl - Small Claims Procedure - A Practical Guide


An excellent guide for the layperson in how to use the County Court - a must if you are intending to start a claim.

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Last Will and Testament Kit


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BAILIFFS - The Law and Your Rights

Written by John Kruse, one of the leading experts on Bailiff Law, this consumer friendly guide is essential reading for anyone who comes into contact with a bailiff.

The book is easy to understand and clearly explains the rights a bailiff has, and also what they cannot do when collecting debts and repossessing goods etc.

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    I have been thinking about this a lot and I was wondering if there was any scope to make the argument that the banks take advantage of thier customers. They apply the charges to the account knowing full well most people are more likely to get divorced or move home than change thier bank account.

    They do this regardless of the effects in terms of generating more charges or ensuring other PRIORITY creditors are not paid. It shows how out of hand things are that the first thing any debt advice charity will do is advise you to open a safe bank account. They know in some cases all the pleading and the financial statements in the world will not stop the bank hammering the client with charges and interesticon.

    The only real justification for the status quo is that it is in the contract, but given that we're looking at the fairness of the contract this may not hold up.

    We also need to be careful about the terminology used in relation to charges. A lot of media articles make reference to paying charges but that's not really what happpens is it?

    The bank applies the charges to the account whether or not the money is in there. They argue they are service charges which I believe means they should invoice seperately for them like any other service provider. At least then if the customer could not afford a charge the debt spiral would not affect the account, the mortgageicon of the council tax could still be paid that month.

    In all honest there are several reasons why the banks do not send such an invoice. First they know people would be far more likely to notice the size of the service fees and question them. Secondly the invoicing would cost more, particularly with the added complaints and people not paying. Finally as noted above they know most people won't move so effectively they have them over a barrel.


    If this would be better moved to legalities or some other place that is fine, I just felt it was a point worth making and discussing.

    The views I express here are mere speculation based on my experience. I am not qualified nor insured to give legal advice and any action you take will be at your own risk.

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    Default Re: Creditor numero uno

    They argued that the charges were for consideration of whether to pay or not.
    Furthermore, on page 14 of OFT1154 it is stated:

    "3.14 The OFT believes that the fourth challenge described is also likely to be
    difficult to mount successfully. Even if such a challenge could be
    brought successfully, it is likely to be limited in its potential effect, in
    particular because the OFT has been given indications (and has no
    evidence to the contrary) that banks generally order the sequence of
    payments where possible in a way that is not harmful to, or even
    benefits, the interests of customers."

    http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/per...counts/oft1154


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    I don't entirely follow that, there must be hundreds if not thousands of cases where the bank charges have caused other ESSENTIAL items to go unpaid. This is not a sensible decision by customers, but a decision I fell a significant number would make.

    I can't think of any beneficial examples but I'm open to suggestions.

    The views I express here are mere speculation based on my experience. I am not qualified nor insured to give legal advice and any action you take will be at your own risk.


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