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    I'm about to start a claim on PPIicon from HSBCicon. Basically the loan repayment ran from 2003 - 2007 (48 months).

    I've got the letter all typed and ready to go. I'm rather stuck on calculating the interesticon, my maths is a bit dodgy at the best of time. Please can someone help.

    I got all the original signed paperwork.

    Cheers.


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    If you use our bank charges spreadsheet, that should calculate the 8% for you correctly as the PPIicon calculation is the same.

    Have you thought of claiming restitutionary damagesicon? Lots more money and if the misselling was at all deliberate then I rate your chances of gettng RD as high - although it will take more effort

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    hello i would really love to claim restitutional damages for 3ppi claims , and bank charges, has anyone tried yet.
    and what would it involve, etc and if you have taken out further loans or used your credit card to prop yourself up because of the original PPIicon being paid, and will it involve the bank charge issue ref the above,
    the banks are earning every which way possible earning on their earnings and ours . they cant loose can they!
    how does the old saying go"when the sun is shining they ll protect you with an umbrella, as soon as it rains they pull it away"


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    restitutionary damagesicon hasn't been tried yeton these issues -- although I am aware of one case definitely and maybe a second way restitutionary damages has been claimed and the claimants are waiting allocation and reaction from the defendants.

    Strictly speaking way any money has been paid under a mistake even if the mistake is entirely innocent on both sides, restitutionary damages should still be available. I can imagine that a county courticon level a judge might balk at this -- but you never know. However, if you are able to show real culpability in the mis-selling, such as invention of documents or have positive evidence that incorrect advice was given all that the defendant knew exactly that you are unemployed, self-employed, already ill or in some other way that PPIicon it was completely in applicable to you, then I think that it would be quite easy to persuade a County Court judge to consider restitutionary damages quite sympathetically. I think if there were a few wins on the question of restitutionary damages then the doors would open and there would be no difficulty persuading County Court judges on any kind of PPI mis-selling.

    I also think that at the beginning, companies who are being sued for restitutionary damages would probably put up a big fight because they wouldn't want it to become an established principle. However, if they were if you victories against them, I think that they would start putting their hands up and looking to make substantial payouts rather than risk much larger losses in a court action.

    Restitutionary damages is available as a remedy for any action for the recovery of money paid under a mistake. You have to decide whether you want an easy life and to settle for your 8% simple interesticon or whether you prefer to get involved in a very serious fight but with a much larger payout if you manage to pull it off.

    Certainly it is clearly unfair that where you have been deprived of your PPI insurance premiums because of some misconduct or you have been deprived of your bank charges because the banks have acted unfairly, that you should then only be awarded 8% interest when in fact you are being put to substantially greater expense having to borrow money at the banks inflated commercial rates when maybe it was they themselves who were responsible for your financial difficulties. I think that if you are able to provide actual evidence to court will you had been placed into difficulty by the unfair action of a bank or an insurer is and that this had cost you money then I would have thought that it would be to show the court that these losses that you have suffered were direct and foreseeable and should be remedied by the person who has benefited from a mistake.

    This seems to me to be very established and noncontroversial law.

    I get very surprised that so many people are a bit worried about it and do find it very controversial. I can tell you that I was invited onto a mMoney Box programme they few weeks ago to talk about the banks liability if they were facing restitutionary damages. The figures for liability were so wild that at the last moment money box decided to drop it because it had all gone into the rounds of fantasy. We were talking about a liability of between £150 billion and £200 billion -- and maybe more.

    I have talked about it with various newspapers and they are so incredulous about the figures for banks or even for PPI insurers that they are reluctant to refer to it in their pages in case they become a laughing stock.

    I have to say that the size of the sums we are talking about quite scares me as well, but as far like and tell the legal principles are sound and everything I read about restitutionary damages on the Internet makes me think that this is absolutely the correct an acceptable way to go.

    Is certainly satisfies my sense of justice as it does with anybody else and I have discussed this with including the newspapers and Moneybox.

    In 2006 when the Consumer Action Group started encouraging people to sue their banks for the return of bank charges, hardly anybody could scarcely believe that it was possible. However they few determine people decided to give it a go and the result was very quickly a tsunami of claims against the banks for the return of their charges which eventually led to repayment of something in the region of three quarters of £1 billion by the banks and then the OFT test case.

    At the moment I'm trying to mention restitutionary damages on this site and to let people know about it. If some people will start to pick it up and put in claims for restitutionary damages, then we will soon know where it will take us. When we start to get reports back on this forum as to the success or failure of claims for restitutionary damages then we will know how much of a runner it really is.

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    excellent post many thanks sir,as they earn on their earnings and so on and so forth and i think as you say a tsunami of claims , but most certainly they have had a tsunami of earnings for many many many years, and so the tide changes, as per issac newton also, and about time too, together perhaps we all will indeed turn the tables ref restitutionicon , i for one will try on one of my claims


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    Quote Originally Posted by BankFodder View Post
    If you use our bank charges spreadsheet, that should calculate the 8% for you correctly as the PPIicon calculation is the same.

    Have you thought of claiming restitutionary damagesicon? Lots more money and if the misselling was at all deliberate then I rate your chances of gettng RD as high - although it will take more effort
    Cheers what about the compound interesticon. Is the spreadsheet good for that too?


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    Compound interest calculator

    compound interest calculator link

    I have no legal training and the advice I offer is a matter of support. Before you commit to any Legal action you are advised to contact a qualified legal practitioner.
    ------------------------------------------------
    Bank charge successes:
    Halifax - Full settlement incl interest.
    HSBC - Settlement, goodwill no admission of liability about 75% of claim.
    RBS - Settlement, goodwill no admission of liability about 70% of claim.
    2 ongoing claims for bank charges with HSBC with more to come. (Supreme Court ruling could have upset these claims) They did
    PPI Successes
    PPI 4 settlements on 9 loans. FOS involvement on 7 added on the 8 % Statutory interest another 30% to both.
    2 claims settled in full with LV without FOS involvement.
    2 claims settled in full with HSBC without FOS involvement

    PPI Claims ongoing with:
    Cap one Now with the FOS
    Barclays. Paid up today 24/04/10 cheque received for over £4,500 and in the bank.
    LTSB still have to decide on this as their SAR production was abysmal. Papers data mixed up documents missing etc

    1 Complaint not upheld by FOS they said it was ICO issue. Complaint upheld by ICO. See this..
    Post 290 from
    ***RBS PPI Claim Long fight but, WON***

    Please do not PM me for advice as it may be sometime before I can respond.

    Keep at them. Do not give way and do not accept all they tell you, they will delay and stall for as long as they can to prevent repaying you your mis-sold PPI.

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    Cheers Al. I've given it a try but can you just confirm whether I input todays or the day the loan ended as the "End Date" . Basically the loan ran from July 2003 to July 2007.

    Also after i've calculated the compounded interesticon and added it on to the initial figure do i use this final figure to calculate simple interest? Again with the simple interest do i use todays date or the date the loan finished.

    Sorry for the questions but didnt want to spend hours doing the maths only to find i messed up.


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    You use the end date of the loan for the compound interesticon . then add the 8%

    IF YOU FEEL I HAVE HELPED YOU AT ALL PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TIP MY SCALES.

    NATWEST PPI SUCCESS £490 25/08/09

    NATWEST PPI 2nd CLAIM WON £1135 02/10/09

    A & L PPI £395 WON

    CREATION CLAIM PARTIAL REFUND £1825 01/04/10 NOW OFF TO FOS FOR THE REST

    BARCLAYCARD STILL PENDING

    LITTLEWOODS DCA . DEBT WIPED OUT AND CREDIT FILE UPDATED 23/09/09

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    As I understand the calcs and I am not a whiz like pompeyfaith.

    The Contractual interesticon is compound ie from the start date to the date the loan was closed at the rate they charged you (however it seem the contractual rate although asked for is not being offered even though Single Premium PPIicon has included Contractual Interest at various extortionate levels to the debtor and the APR has been enormous in some cases)

    You should IMO still ask for the Contractual Interest from the start of the loan 2003 until the loan was refinanced or closed 2007 and the 8% statutory interest should run from the start date of each monthly repayment ie

    01/01/2003 up until settlement of the claim
    01/02/2003 up until settlement of the claim

    if you get a chance pm pompeyfaith he is top notch on spreadsheets and interest calcs.

    aa

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    Bank charge successes:
    Halifax - Full settlement incl interest.
    HSBC - Settlement, goodwill no admission of liability about 75% of claim.
    RBS - Settlement, goodwill no admission of liability about 70% of claim.
    2 ongoing claims for bank charges with HSBC with more to come. (Supreme Court ruling could have upset these claims) They did
    PPI Successes
    PPI 4 settlements on 9 loans. FOS involvement on 7 added on the 8 % Statutory interest another 30% to both.
    2 claims settled in full with LV without FOS involvement.
    2 claims settled in full with HSBC without FOS involvement

    PPI Claims ongoing with:
    Cap one Now with the FOS
    Barclays. Paid up today 24/04/10 cheque received for over £4,500 and in the bank.
    LTSB still have to decide on this as their SAR production was abysmal. Papers data mixed up documents missing etc

    1 Complaint not upheld by FOS they said it was ICO issue. Complaint upheld by ICO. See this..
    Post 290 from
    ***RBS PPI Claim Long fight but, WON***

    Please do not PM me for advice as it may be sometime before I can respond.

    Keep at them. Do not give way and do not accept all they tell you, they will delay and stall for as long as they can to prevent repaying you your mis-sold PPI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BankFodder View Post
    restitutionary damagesicon hasn't been tried yeton these issues -- although I am aware of one case definitely and maybe a second way restitutionary damages has been claimed and the claimants are waiting allocation and reaction from the defendants.

    Strictly speaking way any money has been paid under a mistake even if the mistake is entirely innocent on both sides, restitutionary damages should still be available. I can imagine that a county courticon level a judge might balk at this -- but you never know. However, if you are able to show real culpability in the mis-selling, such as invention of documents or have positive evidence that incorrect advice was given all that the defendant knew exactly that you are unemployed, self-employed, already ill or in some other way that PPIicon it was completely in applicable to you, then I think that it would be quite easy to persuade a County Court judge to consider restitutionary damages quite sympathetically. I think if there were a few wins on the question of restitutionary damages then the doors would open and there would be no difficulty persuading County Court judges on any kind of PPI mis-selling.

    I also think that at the beginning, companies who are being sued for restitutionary damages would probably put up a big fight because they wouldn't want it to become an established principle. However, if they were if you victories against them, I think that they would start putting their hands up and looking to make substantial payouts rather than risk much larger losses in a court action.

    Restitutionary damages is available as a remedy for any action for the recovery of money paid under a mistake. You have to decide whether you want an easy life and to settle for your 8% simple interesticon or whether you prefer to get involved in a very serious fight but with a much larger payout if you manage to pull it off.

    Certainly it is clearly unfair that where you have been deprived of your PPI insurance premiums because of some misconduct or you have been deprived of your bank charges because the banks have acted unfairly, that you should then only be awarded 8% interest when in fact you are being put to substantially greater expense having to borrow money at the banks inflated commercial rates when maybe it was they themselves who were responsible for your financial difficulties. I think that if you are able to provide actual evidence to court will you had been placed into difficulty by the unfair action of a bank or an insurer is and that this had cost you money then I would have thought that it would be to show the court that these losses that you have suffered were direct and foreseeable and should be remedied by the person who has benefited from a mistake.

    This seems to me to be very established and noncontroversial law.

    I get very surprised that so many people are a bit worried about it and do find it very controversial. I can tell you that I was invited onto a mMoney Box programme they few weeks ago to talk about the banks liability if they were facing restitutionary damages. The figures for liability were so wild that at the last moment money box decided to drop it because it had all gone into the rounds of fantasy. We were talking about a liability of between £150 billion and £200 billion -- and maybe more.

    I have talked about it with various newspapers and they are so incredulous about the figures for banks or even for PPI insurers that they are reluctant to refer to it in their pages in case they become a laughing stock.

    I have to say that the size of the sums we are talking about quite scares me as well, but as far like and tell the legal principles are sound and everything I read about restitutionary damages on the Internet makes me think that this is absolutely the correct an acceptable way to go.

    Is certainly satisfies my sense of justice as it does with anybody else and I have discussed this with including the newspapers and Moneybox.

    In 2006 when the Consumer Action Group started encouraging people to sue their banks for the return of bank charges, hardly anybody could scarcely believe that it was possible. However they few determine people decided to give it a go and the result was very quickly a tsunami of claims against the banks for the return of their charges which eventually led to repayment of something in the region of three quarters of £1 billion by the banks and then the OFT test case.

    At the moment I'm trying to mention restitutionary damages on this site and to let people know about it. If some people will start to pick it up and put in claims for restitutionary damages, then we will soon know where it will take us. When we start to get reports back on this forum as to the success or failure of claims for restitutionary damages then we will know how much of a runner it really is.
    OK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR SAYING BUT JUST ANOTHER QUESTION REF THIS ,
    SAY YR CREDIT CARD BALANCE OR BANK BALANCE IS CURRENTLY £3500 , YOU DISCOVER YOU HAVE BEEN MIS SOLD PPI DO THE MATHS AND THE CARD /BANK OWE YOU WITH INTEREST £2000, ASSUMING YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK THIS LEAVES A BALANCE OF £1500 OK SO FAR
    WHO S TO SAY THAT HAD YOU NOT HAVE BEEN MIS SOLD THE PPI IN THE FIRST PLACE THAT YOUR CC BALANCE WOULD OF BEEN NIL AND YOU WOULD OF HAD £500 IN YOUR BANK .
    IN OTHER WORDS NOT ONLY WOULD YOU WANT YOUR MONEY BACK, BUT YOU WANT YOUR ACCOUNT BACK TO WHERE IT WOULD OF BEEN HAD YOU NOT OF HAD TO FORK OUT FOR SOMTHING YOU NEVER WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE BEING DEPRIVED OF PAYING OFF YOUR BALANCE £2000 MIS SOLD PPI +£2000 WHICH IS WHAT YOU WOULD OF PAYED OFF YOUR BALANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE HAD YOU NOT BEEN PAYING THE PPI .
    I AM PROBERBLY BEING THICK HERE:grin:



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