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    Default Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    I have sent a prelim to skycard for £12 charges applied to my account.
    The account is currently overlimit.

    The charges added to the account add up to more than the total sum the account is overlimit by.

    Today I received the following letter.

    I am concerned that I have been given a P.O. Box number, which will become an issue when if I have to file a claim with the court.

    My questions are:
    • Do now follow up with my lbaicon?
    • What do I do about getting a "proper" address for my court claim?

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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    Quote Originally Posted by skyswatter View Post
    I have sent a prelim to skycard for £12 charges applied to my account.
    The account is currently overlimit.

    The charges added to the account add up to more than the total sum the account is overlimit by.

    Today I received the following letter.

    I am concerned that I have been given a P.O. Box number, which will become an issue when if I have to file a claim with the court.

    My questions are:
    • Do now follow up with my lbaicon?
    • What do I do about getting a "proper" address for my court claim?

    Thanks
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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    Thank you for pointing this out. I didn't realise they would come up so small when they were clicked on.

    Here is the letter






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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    As far as I am aware decreasing them to £12 still doesn't make them any more lawful than they were before.

    Have a read of similar threads to get the flavour of what you should do next.


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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    I forgot to add that I wasn't aware that Sky are a Bank!!

    ''Bank's final response'


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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    Hi Skyswatter,

    Their letter is just a bluff.

    Send your lbaicon using this template - http://www.consumerforums.com/resour...s/121-bookworm

    Enclose with it your SOC and let us know how they respond.

    If you have to file a court claim, read this first to avoid probs re the PO Box - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...name-when.html

    In your case, you would address them as:-

    Barclaysicon Bank PLC t/a Sky Card

    The London HO address is as shown on the Sky Card letter (at the bottom).

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
    Link 4. OFT Guide re s.78 CCA1974 Requests - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/OFT1272.pdf

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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    Thank you very much for your help.
    Much appreciated


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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    No probs.

    I've just added the 2nd link in my post above, which I forgot to do at the time.



    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
    Link 4. OFT Guide re s.78 CCA1974 Requests - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/OFT1272.pdf

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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    I have received a "response" to my lbaicon.
    They haven't even tried to amend this.

    Considering they have cancelled the card and defaulted me I am prepared to take this as far as possible.






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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    Anyone got any experience of how these folks behave at Court stage?


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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    ''..the costs we incur are borne by the customer''


    so they are saying it costs them £12 to press a button and add a £12 charge to your account------would be interesting ask them how they break that down as they would have to justify it to be assessed as 'fair'

    Can you post up your default notice?


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    Quote Originally Posted by middenmess View Post
    ''..the costs we incur are borne by the customer''


    so they are saying it costs them £12 to press a button and add a £12 charge to your account------would be interesting ask them how they break that down as they would have to justify it to be assessed as 'fair'

    Can you post up your default notice?
    I don't have a default notice, as I got to the stage that I would shred their letters as soon as they arrived.

    They used to call me 8 times a day, and write me two letters every week.

    I found a letter recently, and when I opened it, it was confirming that the account had been cancelled and a default registered.

    Whether they sent me a default notice or not I have no idea.


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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    Sending you a default notice is part of the due process and needs to be set out in a particular fashion to be effective and lawful--these are often not laid out in the prescribed manner and are challengable.

    You should also have a copy to ensure that what they are saying you owe is really what you owe, so in my opinion you should send them a SARicon with £10 to cover the fee requsting all data that they hold on you.

    Keeping copies of correspondance and logging the frequency of phone callsicon is usually to your benefit.

    You may well need some of this information if and when you get to court.

    Other posters might have different views and opinions on this.


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    I sent them a SARicon and all they sent me was statements.


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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    Quote Originally Posted by skyswatter View Post
    I sent them a SAR and all they sent me was statements.
    Write back and inform them that you require ALL the data that they hold on you and if they are over the 40 day time limit tell them that you will be making a complaint to the Information Commissioners Office who have the power to take enforcement & fine them £5000.

    I sent them...

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    Dear Sir/Madam


    ACCOUNT NUMBERS:
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x


    Please supply me with all transactions and charges and all other data relating to my credit card and banking history with your organisation. This includes in particular, but is not limited to, the following:-

    1. The original signed, executed credit agreements and any terms and conditionsicon that applied to any of these account at the time of any default and at the time that these accounts were opened.
    2. Dated and notated transcripts of all telephone conversations recorded, and of all notes made in relation to telephone conversations participated in by your company, or by any other interested party when dealing with my accounts
    3. Where there has been any event in any of my accounts histories since they were opened which has required manual intervention by any person, I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have either caused or resulted in that manual intervention, or other evidence of that manual intervention in relation to my account.

    [If you are unable to supply this data because there has been no such manual intervention, then please be so kind as to confirm this in your response.]

    4. True copies of any notice of assignment and/or default notice or enforcement notice that you or any companies acting with your authority and on your behalf have sent me, together with a true copy of any proof of postage or delivery that you hold.
    5. Documents relating to any insurance added to the account, including the insurance contract and terms and conditionsicon, and the date it was added.
    6. Details of any collection charges added to the account; specifically, the date it was levied, the amount of the charge, a detailed financial breakdown of how the charge was calculated, and what the charge covers.
    7. Specific details of the fees/charges levied by any other agency in respect of these accounts and a detailed breakdown of said fees/charges and what each charge relates to and on what date said fees/charges were levied.
    8. A genuine copy of any notice of fair use of my data as required by the Data Protection Act 1998
    9. A list of any third party agencies to which you have disclosed my personal data and a summary of the nature of the information you have so disclosed and for what reason.
    10. Copies of statements for the entire duration from inception of the credit cards and likewise for the bank account and details of any and all variations to the terms and conditionsicon made applicable to any of these accounts during their existence.

    In summary I require a full disclosure of all the personal data that your company holds on me including and not limited to:-
    All account information, loan information, contracts, agreements, notes, screenshots, internal correspondence, telephone recordings and any related notes or transcripts, wherever held within the group regardless of the media, form or format in which it is held.

    I enclose the statutory maximum fee of £10 by Postal Order No.xxxxxxxxx.

    You have 40 days in which to comply. Furthermore, if I discover that you have levied disproportionate penalties against me, then I shall be reclaiming them, and also reclaiming the enclosed £10 DPA Subject access requesticon fee.

    If there is specific information which you require in order to satisfy yourself as to my identity, please let me know by return. However, please note that the above address is the one which you normally use to communicate my private business to me and which you have hitherto found to be acceptable.
    I would be happy to collect the Data resulting from this S.A.R. from my local branch of your organisation.


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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    I sent them the following letter on the 17th July 2009.

    SARicon (Subject access requesticon for xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Account number xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    1. I formally request that you forward me a true record of any Data held by your organisation relating to myself for any and all accounts held currently or in the past with your company. This should include, but not be limited to all transaction lists, agreements

    2. This request should include any Data held for more than 6 yearsicon as under the Data Protection Act there is no time limit for information requested.

    3. If you do not hold Data for a period longer than 6 years I also request confirmation of this in writing along with your methods used for disposal of such information to comply with the Data Protection Act stating the name and contact information of your registered Data Controller and Code Compliance Officer.

    I enclose the statutory maximum fee of £10. You have 40 days from receipt of this request in which to return to me the information requested, securely and in legible condition.

    Please note that the above address is the one registered with your organisation and which you have previously found to be acceptable.


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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    I sent them a Subject access request and all they sent me was statements.

    My previous post applies.....you have to make the runningWrite back* and inform them that you require ALL the data that they hold on you and if they are over the 40 day time limit tell them that you will be making a complaint to the Information Commissioners Office who have the power to take enforcement & fine them £5000.

    *When you write detail how little they have sent you.


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    Thanks for all your help. I will be writing to them for the rest of the info in particular this default notice.


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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    Have a look at post #2 by Alanalana on this thread...

    http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...yone-ever.html


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    Default Re: Skyswatter vs SkyCard

    I think the Default Notice is a Red Herring in this case. Whether one was sent or not, and what it looked like is irrelevant.

    I assume it would have included, in the "amount to be paid", unlawful penalty charges and this would render the DN incorrect and, therefore, challengeable.

    File at court to recover the penalty charges without further delay.

    And, if you are really up for a fight, claim interesticon in restitutionicon to increase the amount you seek back. You'll have to take the matter right up to just before a final court hearing before BC fold and pay up.

    See here for an example - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...round-2-a.html The time taken to read it may prove a worthwhile investment.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
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