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    On the 27th April I wrote to them using the data protection Subject access requesticon. I also asked them in writing to stop calling. I have since written to them and asked them again to stop calling after one of their representatives stated that they could call me anytime on my phone despite my request for them to stop calling.

    They wrote back and asked for £10 to provide the information requested under the data protection act. They finally sent thistome on the 1st of July 2009. (Outside the 40 day legal requirement)

    I have logged a complaint with the information commissioner regarding the fact that they refuse to remove my contact details and have passed it on to aegis.

    I issued them on the 10th June (received and signed for on the 11th) a request for a copy of my credit agreement and relative documents under the consumer credit act (sections 77- 78).

    With the information request letter under the data protection act data access request, they said that they could not retrieve the original credit agreement.

    I have attached the letter, along with a copy of their reply to my complaint about my contact numbers not being removed. There was no original terms and conditionsicon or anything else relating to my consumer credit act request.

    To date they still keep calling me and sending me their postcards saying they will be calling me. They are outside the 12 (+2) days for a copy of the original credit agreement to be sent. Do I wait a few more days for the calender month to finish or be nice and write to them before that time.

    Any advice or counter letter would be appreciated.


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    Hi RGB,

    I've removed the attachment from the above post.

    Your personal dataicon was showing through where you had covered it with thin paper.

    Please repost with name, address, a/c no, etc. blanked out properly so your data remains secure and you remain anonymous.



    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
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    Link 4. OFT Guide re s.78 CCA1974 Requests - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/OFT1272.pdf

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    The letter I attached somply states that they cannot find a copy of the cca at this stage. Suggestions of a letter?


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    Send MBNAicon the ' In Dispute' letter -


    http://www.consumerforums.com/resour...ibed-timescale


    Make sure it goes recorded delivery and do not signicon it



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    Have sent them this letter and yet the phone callsicon and text messages continue.

    This was sent recorded delivery and they still have not responded.

    Have put this on as an attachment as I cannot seem to cut and paste onto any site.

    Need some ideas of what to do next. Would like ideas of either writimg the debt off/ or token final payment/ or counterclaim against my requests/ compensation.

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    You could see if they have added any charges to the account and see if that would offset the debt.



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    Default Re: MBNA ex Beneficial Bank

    What charges can I offset?


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    Any late payment charges and account default charges



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    As an update, I sent MBNAicon a further letter complaining I have not received my CCA and a request under section 10 of the data protection act to remove my data and to stop calling me. Their response. An increase in calls and more threatening letters (The last one saying that from their checks, they have noted I am a homeowner and they may apply for a charge against the home) They have not replied to the contents of my letter, sent recorded delivery.

    They did send a templated letter today which suggested a partitial settlement may be considered, but no reference to my letter. I am not in the financial position to do this. I am very angry that they have ignored my lawful requests for a cca, removal of my information, they continue to charge interesticon whilst the account is in disputeicon and are continuing threats. I feel like counter proposing that I will not make complaints to the oft, ect ect and pursue costs/ compensation of their continual offenses in return for a zero balance.

    Anyone got any advice? I am getting a it fed up with sleepless nights.


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    sorry to hear your having sleeples nights, one thing to remember is it takes time to go through their process i.e. phone callsicon letters demands last chance another last chance. In the meantime they will do all sorts of dare i say illegal things like not reply, ignore letters etc. Just take a deep breath and continue but don't let it take over your life completely. You have to live also even with this over you most of us have been there and are still there but you need a balance if you can manage it.

    Everyone is on hear to help, another thing to remember is everything they do illegally will not look in their favour if they take you to court and they know this....hope this helps a little.

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    Hi RGB,

    I doubt your suggested counter proposal will be considered by them at this stage.

    Next time they call, remind them that you are now recording all their calls to back up your complaint to the regulatory authorities about harassment.

    Keep a log of all calls with the time and date.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
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    Hi,

    Im in the same boat as you roygoodbeat. I also have an MBNAicon account which i originally took out with HFC.

    You should complain to the OFT regarding the failure to respond to your CCA requests, gives you more ammo for later.

    Have MBNA advised you that they are contacting HSBCicon(Beneficials owners) to obtain the original agreement? If so try sending an SARicon to HSBC. Check out my thread:

    http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...reement-3.html


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    Just received another threatening letter threatening to sell debt to a third party and to register a default.


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    Hi RGB,

    You could adapt this and send it to the new DCAicon - http://www.consumerforums.com/resour...-is-in-dispute

    Earlier, other posters on your thread have asked if there are any penalty charges or PPIicon on the a/c, which you can reclaim.

    What's the position about this.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
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    No PPIicon. May have been an odd charge but nothing major.


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    Default Re: MBNA ex Beneficial Bank

    OK, so you're not worried about them.

    It may be useful to you, however, if they Default you as the inclusion of unlawful penalty charges in the DN total would make the DN invalid.



    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
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    Finally, they sent a copy of the original application form, not a fully compliant CCA in response to my original Subject access requesticon on the 27th April (1st Oct received) This was after they regestered a default. I wrote to them stating that my CCA request under the consumer credit act was still outstanding and that they had not produced a document that fully coplies with this act. I advised them that I would take action and report them to the OFT, financial Ombudsmanicon and maybe court action as they had clearly broken OFT guidelines ect.

    Their response. To sell this to a third party who are now demanding payment. Any advice??


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    Hi Roygoodbeat,

    I see you sent the Account in Dispute letter back in July, if what they have sent still does not comply then use the letter in the link that Slick 132 put on post 14.

    I used this with a couple of mine and not heard again from the DCAicon's since.

    I am still waiting for response to my CCA request at the end of April! Similar to yours, it was originally with Beneficial.


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    Hi RGB,

    If you're sure the credit agreement or application form is not enforceable, fine. Just send the DCAicon the "bemused" letter.

    If you're NOT sure about the agreement, check it using Link No5 in my signatureicon.

    If still unsure, post a copy here so it can be checked.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
    Link 4. OFT Guide re s.78 CCA1974 Requests - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/OFT1272.pdf

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    They have sold the debt onto someone else who is demanding payment. I have written to them twice now, firstly with the bemused letter, but they have ignored these and their degrees of threats are increasing.



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