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I'm in the middle of an ongoing battle with Halifax to reclaim bank charges, they have started to make offers of settlement but are sending forms for the refund to be paid directly into my suspended Halifax account.
I am on a debt management plan and as a result changed from Halifax to Barclays to prevent Halifax offsetting anything, my Halifax account is open as I am repaying them an overdraft on my dmp but it is suspended. If I accept an offer of settlement from Halifax can I insist that it is either paid into my Barclays account or sent by cheque? I am in financial hardship and if possible would rather have use the settlement money rather than have it swallowed up in my suspended account.
Any help would be appreicated as I'm not sure where I stand on this.
This is something thats not unique to HBOS -others are trying this one too-including RBS.
Lets put it another way....if you took them to Court-then they would have NO RIGHTS to make decisions on how the refund would be paid (appropriated to you).....it would be clear.
Unfortunately the fos are taking the view that charges should not automatically be refunded directly since they maintain that the decision as to whether charges are unfair or should be refunded-has not yet been made by the Courts.
Instead there is more focus on reducing payments or freezing interest or as with this case-reconciling the charges against outstanding debt/or alleged debt.
You have the option of making it clear that you consider that you have a right to have any refund appropriated as you dictate for example payment directly to you.
HBOS will not pay directly into non HBOS accounts-refunds are made by cheque or else into HBOS accounts.
They are likely to tell you that if you do not accept their terms then they will withdraw the offer and invite you to wait until after the test case.
What is the amount they are offering ?
What is your total charges ?
How much is the overdraft for ?
What proportion (if any) is associated with charges ?
maybe can add more if you answer these points.
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Martin, unlike First right of appropriation, you do not have the right of appropriation on a bank charges refund. The Right of Set Off over rides this, however it might be worth seeing the final response letter and working on the basis of that with the fos or bank.
The argument is to start with about how there were insufficient funds in the account at the time that payments bounced, ie loss of hours/job and the way the charges took money away from priority creditors and the effects that had on the ability to pay them.
I would say that the approach is one where you are claiming the full amount but asking for say priority debt arrears to be paid plus any amount that takes the account under the limit and suspension of the charges for say 3 months to allow you the chance to budget without charges and reorganise your finances. If they say NO, then depending on the final response it can be arguable with the FOS(if you have final response) then approximate timescale is 12 weeks tops on a clean case where all the paperwork is submitted.
YB I did not say there was an automatic right to appropriation-I said if it was in Court they would be given it automatically-and it would be up to the bank to counterclaim in their defence.
I said "You have the option to consider"
The questions asked were meant to determine if the overdraft is made up of charges or parts of it are.
If this was the case then the OP can offer good reasoning as to why they should be given ROA.
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YB I did not say there was an automatic right to appropriation-I said if it was in Court they would be given it automatically-and it would be up to the bank to counterclaim in their defence.
I said "You have the option to consider"
The questions asked were meant to determine if the overdraft is made up of charges or parts of it are.
If this was the case then the OP can offer good reasoning as to why they should be given ROA.
Why not ask about priority debt arrears? They are the cornerstone usually with Hardship claims and the way the charges have worked against the individual by taking funds away from them. fos consider Right of Set Off above right of appropriation on bank charges claims.
If the bank lowered the overdraft at the same time as they refunded then yep that is challengeable with FOS but their view is that refunds under hardship should go into the account they came from.
Just for reference YB I have done a hardship claim with HBOS myself and was paid charges in full worth around £1400 AFTER earlier refunds settled in full after N1 issue.
Additionally I have assisted 2 neigbours and 2 friends -all 4 have had refunds.
I am also assisting a further 3 which are ongoing with the fos and concern different banks.
I therefore assume some knowledge and experience in this area,and in fact was posting on Hardship back in 2006.
I was also responsible for the hardship temps along with another team member.
Just thought I would let you in on that.
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Just for clarification, I spoke with an ombudsman who asked that I not name them specifically about appropriation of refunds cos it annoyed the living daylights out of me that banks took the first bite of the cherry under hardship and didn't give a stuff about the priority debt arrears. In fact I had a couple of conversations with the fos specifically on this topic which moved onto how the FOS deal with hardship, timescales, and paperwork involved and their overall view as to how hardship works and what they would be looking at. I appreciate that you have had a claim which is something I haven't done.
Thank you for the responses. I'm not claiming under financial hardship at the moment. I am trying to claim back about £1000 in charges and am currently being offered about a third which I am not sure I will accept at this point. My overdraft is about £3500 and I am paying it off at just over £100 per month. I have not incurred any bank charges in the last year or so meaning the overdraft wasn't caused or increased by any bank charges, they are older charges I am claiming back. If I did accept an offer it will not clear my overdraft. I do appreciate it is better to have this debt reduced than get nothing at all but I have some family debts which would be nice to pay off. I don't feel that it is right that they can dictate what a 'settlement' should go towards.