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I received a parking charge notice from UK PAO Ltd. on the 5th feb 2009 for parking in a disabled bay. There was plenty of other disabled spaces and I was only there for about 10 minutes, either way I knew the charge was laughable and looked for any ways to get out of paying, I found this forum and have sent a few letters but now they have sent me a picture of my car and still saying they will take to court, now actually giving me a 14 day notice so maybe I will find out soon enough.
I've seen a few threads about this company and from what I've seen they have no chance of winning in court anyway, but what about the fact that I clearly parked in a disabled bay with no badge, in front of the sign to say I'm agreeing to pay?
I ignored the original notice, then received a number of 'statements' notifying me of my ever increasing balance adding £3 per day
I replied with this letter:
UK P.A.O Ltd
PO Box 200
Leeds
LS28 0AT
parking charge/Reference Number: ***** Issued at: Alexandra Retail Park, Grimsby
I refer to the statement I received notifying me of £189 worth of parking charges, this amount should be forwarded to the driver of the vehicle at the time, not the registered keeper.
For future reference my address has changed to the one above.
I then received the above letter, to which I replied with a letter template from this website:
Re: Your letter dated 14/04/2009
I refer to your previous correspondence.
I will welcome the opportunity to defend your allegation in court and am confident of success. Of course you will be required to produce the evidence that I have requested and you have failed to provide. You will also have to answer to the court why you failed to do so.
Unless you provide evidence to substantiate your claim against me I shall be unable to help you further in this matter.
This alleged debt therefore remains disputed by me. Save for supplying the evidence referred to above I must ask you to cease and desist correspondence with me.
Other than as described above, any further correspondence from you or any other party in relation to this matter may result in a complaint to the authorities under the Protection From Harassment Act 1997.
Just another bunch of chancers.
Any letters that you have already sent to them are that many, TOO many.
Just ignore. You will get a few letters, threatening more and more, until they reach the stage of threatening to sell your wife into slavery, etc. You may get a couple of letters from a DCA or even a "solicitor".
Just ignore them all. Eventually they will get fed up and chase someone else who is easy to frighten
Remember, It's not a fine, it's an unenforcible invoice, that has no legal status.
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I have then recently received this letter, which has a clear picture of my car and states they have 6 years to bring a claim against me, can anybody confirm this?
That tiny little terrace house is very deceptive. How ever do all the various departments run so efficiently from such a place.
And i wonder if they are paying business subscription rates to Sky too. ;-)
I've had a good look on google street view and it's actually the detached house next to the garage. The house is split up, I managed to zoom in on their bins and found they go up to at least 53E. They do have 2 Sky dishes though...
Just another bunch of chancers.
Any letters that you have already sent to them are that many, TOO many.
Just ignore. You will get a few letters, threatening more and more, until they reach the stage of threatening to sell your wife into slavery, etc. You may get a couple of letters from a DCA or even a "solicitor".
Just ignore them all. Eventually they will get fed up and chase someone else who is easy to frighten
Remember, It's not a fine, it's an unenforcible invoice, that has no legal status.
Rooster, what are the chances of agreeing to settle at the point where the wife is sold into slavery? Will I be able to hold them to that under civil contract law?
Rooster, what are the chances of agreeing to settle at the point where the wife is sold into slavery? Will I be able to hold them to that under civil contract law?
So basically just ignore them from now on? Is there no chance they would ever win in court? Why not?
If they take it to a debt collection agency and I don't pay them can't they mark it on my credit file?
No. Because the debt has not been proven. If a DCA put anything on your credit file without the debt being proven they could get into some pretty serious problems. The only way to prove the debt, is to take you to court, which they can't do because only the landowner can (for trespass).
MBNA - Agreed to refund £970 in full without conditions. Cheque received Sat 5th Aug.
Lloyds - Settled for an undisclosed sum.
No. Because the debt has not been proven. If a DCA put anything on your credit file without the debt being proven they could get into some pretty serious problems. The only way to prove the debt, is to take you to court, which they can't do because only the landowner can (for trespass).
And theres no chance of UK PAO owning the car park?
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Hi was just wundering if anything happened after the letter with the picture of the car on it , im in exact same boat , parked in disabled spot for 5 mins then ignored all charges until they said county court judge will get involved . help would be appreciated .
Hi was just wundering if anything happened after the letter with the picture of the car on it , im in exact same boat , parked in disabled spot for 5 mins then ignored all charges until they said county court judge will get involved . help would be appreciated .
I think you can take it as read that this did not go the distance. UK PAO tried court around 2-3 years ago and got 2 or 3 wins because of no shows by the defendent. That said they had a couple of losses because they didn't show up. Since then I've not heard of anyone being taken to court.
I think the chances of court are practically zero and even if they do take you to court they can only bring a claim against which you are allowed to defend. There are some experts on this forum who will help you compose your defense, in the unlikely event your receive court papers. The experts have a very good record against the PPC's.
Please note that bailiffs are only instructed if you lose, fail to pay the settlement within the time stipulated by the court and the claimant returns to court to ask for the order to be enforced.
BTW they can only claim for their actual losses and direct costs of lodging a claim - £30.
As to their evidence they have a photo of your car. They cannot identify the driver from such a photo. They write to you as the registered keeper of the vehicle on something of a fishing trip looking for payment or for you to name the driver. You are under no obligation to name the driver.
Best bet is to continue to ignore.
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Court is very unlikely - have had various encounters with different groups of these [problem]mers and even when told directly that I will not pay them and they must proceed to the threatened court action they still refuse to do so
UK PAO threatening court for £300
notice from UK PAO Ltd. on the 5th feb 2009 for parking in a disabled bay. There was plenty of other disabled spaces and I was only there for about 10 minutes, either way I knew the charge was laughable and looked for any ways to get out of paying, I found this forum and have sent a few letters but now they have sent me a picture of my car and still saying they will take to court, now actually giving me a 14 day notice so maybe I will find out soon enough.
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