Patricia Pearl - Small Claims Procedure - A Practical Guide


An excellent guide for the layperson in how to use the County Court - a must if you are intending to start a claim.

£19.99 + £1.50 (P&P)




Last Will and Testament Kit


Make a legally valid will without the fuss and expense of a solicitor - includes a full step-by-step guide.

£9.99 + £1.50 (P&P)

BAILIFFS - The Law and Your Rights

Written by John Kruse, one of the leading experts on Bailiff Law, this consumer friendly guide is essential reading for anyone who comes into contact with a bailiff.

The book is easy to understand and clearly explains the rights a bailiff has, and also what they cannot do when collecting debts and repossessing goods etc.

£13.95 + £2.00 (P&P)


Reclaim the Right Ltd. - reg. 05783665 in the UK

reg. office:
923 Finchley Road
London
NW11 7PE



+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 19 of 19
  1. #1
    Basic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    Jim Pike Novitiate

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Feb 2009
    I am in
    England
    Posts
    130

    Default Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Hi All
    I wonder if you good people can give your views on this please. I was given the offer to clear my debt of appx £8000 with A & L by paying 25% of it over 3 months which I thought would be a Full and finalicon thingy. This letter arrived and I am not sure if it means the same as full and final, could you give me your views please as I am due to make the second payment towards it soon.
    Cheers
    Jim

    a&l Offer this one.pdf


  2. #2
    Site Team dx100uk Authoritative dx100uk Authoritative dx100uk Authoritative dx100uk Authoritative dx100uk Authoritative dx100uk Authoritative dx100uk Authoritative dx100uk Authoritative dx100uk Authoritative dx100uk Authoritative dx100uk Authoritative dx100uk's Avatar

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Dec 2006
    I am in
    a sort of fire-fighting role here. Hate HFC & their past compulsory PPI ethos
    Posts
    24,953

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    yep i think you are right to question it.
    i would be more happy that they change the line to add 'and any of our agents'

    BTW: have you CCA'ed this? it puzzles me why they are being so nice?
    almost as if they know its unenforceable.

    dx

    GETTING THREAT_O_TEXTS OR SPOOF BAILIFF CALL FROM M T COLLECT read here
    Credit Reference Agencies:Experian Equifax CallCredit <<<<CRA FILE INFO IS HERE<<<<

    1. Single Premium PPI Q&A Read Here
    2. Reclaim mis-sold PPI Read Here
    3. Reclaim Loan & Credit Card Charges Read Here
    4. The CAG Interest Tutorial Read Here
    5. Feel Bullied by Creditors or Debt Collectors? Read Here
    6. Staying Calm About Debt Read Here
    7. Thinking of a Full & Final Settlement? Read Here
    my views are my own...seek legal advice if ness
    NEVER EVER - act on a private message asking you to visit another website, make contact 'off list' or by telephone
    - alert the siteteam IMMEDIATELY by hitting the black warning triangle on any message - Particularly if this results in a request to pay a fee to help you.
    rather than hittting to be my friend - hit the star
    DX
    Siteteam

  3. #3
    Basic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    Jim Pike Novitiate

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Feb 2009
    I am in
    England
    Posts
    130

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Hi dx100uk,
    Thanks for your reply, Yes I did cca them in Feb + follow up letters but heard nothing from them until begining of June thanking me for my request, saying that my copy will be sent under separate cover, and goes on to say they are not required to send a copy which contains signatures. Which is strange as I cca'd them for my loan and they sent a copy of the signed agreement back pretty Quickly.
    I am just unsure about the "Partial settlement" wording in the letter. The account has never been sent to a collection agency, just dealt with inhouse at MBNAicon/A&L this is not the first offer they have made to me they started at appx 50% then 40ish then 33% then this is the final one before they send to collection agency. I thought 25% was a good thing, but not if they can come back at me later?
    Jim Pike


  4. #4
    Basic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    avarose Novitiate

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    May 2009
    I am in
    Feeding baby!
    Posts
    142

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Hi Jim, congratulations on the 25%! I am wondering how long it was before A&L started to make offers to you? I owe them and am currently getting letters from them charging me £25 a month for the letters and that's it! I want to offer them a F&F but scared they will not accept the low amount i can offer - but if they are now accepting 25% from you then i may have hope yet! Best of luck


  5. #5
    Gold Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    andie_303 Informative andie_303 Informative andie_303 Informative andie_303 Informative andie_303 Informative

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    3,017

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    I would ask for written clarification that this is a Full and finalicon settlement and that that their will be no further liability to yourself to make further payments after these 3.

    I would also ask for a written receipt for each payment and final discharge after the last payment

    I am a layperson and have no legal training but I do have an iota of common sense (sometimes)

    Welcome Finance PPI -----> over £3k court case filed SETTLED

    Park Motor Finance -----> incorrectly logged default on credit file claim for compensation

    Lloyds Tsb ----> plenty of things all filed with Financial Ombudsman or Small Claims ----> settled by paying me full amount sought 02/05/09

    Easy Jet ----> damaged pushchair offered £232.50 pursued claim awarded £465

    Black Horse ----> Outstanding balance of £574.00 made up of charges and interest ----> account closed after accepting F&F settlement of £100.





    <--------- If I have helped please tip my scales (bet thats the only time you'll hear a woman say that )

  6. #6
    Basic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    Hadders86 Novitiate

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    May 2009
    Posts
    1

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Crikey Jim that is a fantastic offer if as andie says you can get the wording of their letter tightened up. I have a loan with them at the moment so am curious to know how long it took to get them to offer 25%.
    Good luck, I'm jealous !


  7. #7
    Basic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    avarose Novitiate

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    May 2009
    I am in
    Feeding baby!
    Posts
    142

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    I am wondering if the difference here is that Jim is talking about a credit card with A&L via MBNAicon? Is that right Jim? And that you have a loan also? To be honest i am having more luck sorting out my MBNA card ( not an A&L one) than i am with A&L loan... How are you doing with the loan side of things? That is if i am talking any sense at all!!


  8. #8
    Basic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    Jim Pike Novitiate

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Feb 2009
    I am in
    England
    Posts
    130

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Hi
    avarose,
    It was appx 4 months when I started getting offers from them, I suppose it depends on a lot of different things
    i.e Your age, amount owed, prospects of eventually paying it off
    in my case it would take appx a zillion years to pay it off.
    This is only my credit card account, the loan is something else.
    I would imagine that yours is a loan? that's why they charged you £25 for letters, thinking back they were pretty fair and stopped the interesticon going onto my CC quite soon after I fell into difficulties, as did most of the others with the exception of HSBCicon and Lloydsicon (another story)
    Jim Pike


  9. #9
    Basic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    Jim Pike Novitiate

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Feb 2009
    I am in
    England
    Posts
    130

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Hi andie_303
    Thanks for your advice, I have already tried but as it's not a full payment I am making they will not class it as Full and finalicon only partial settlement. But I am sure other people have settled in a similar manner and i have not heard of A & L going back on the arrangement and chasing for the remainder so fingers crossed.

    Hadders86
    I think that you may find it won't happen with loans, mine is a CC debt that I will now never be able to pay off due to no work, age and level of debt.
    Cheers
    Jim


  10. #10
    Classic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Make a contribution
    havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella's Avatar

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Jun 2006
    I am in
    Crawley
    Posts
    2,573

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    should you take them up on this offer, you should get it paid via a 3rd person.

    Then they cannot come after you for the rest.

    Jogs

    Blackhorse Finance : Isssued court papers for £3400 and return of car, settled for £1000

    Lloyds TSB : SAR request taken all the way to Court, Damages awarded.

    Lloyds TSB PPI : FOS found in my favour, awaiting settlement figure.

    Capital ONE : Issued Court papers, refund of £635.38

    Barclaycard
    : Refund of charges £456.16

    VIRGIN MEDIA : Request of charges, LBA sent

    LLoyds TSB : Refund of charges sent

    Littlewoods/NDR/Moorcroft : You have no idea

  11. #11
    Basic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    Jim Pike Novitiate

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Feb 2009
    I am in
    England
    Posts
    130

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Hi Jogs
    Can you explain, by third person do you mean someone else to pay it on my behalf and I pay them back, or someone like the cccs.
    Cheers
    Jim


  12. #12
    Classic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Make a contribution
    havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella Authoritative havinastella's Avatar

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Jun 2006
    I am in
    Crawley
    Posts
    2,573

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Someone pay it on your behalf!

    This really screws them up

    JOgs

    Blackhorse Finance : Isssued court papers for £3400 and return of car, settled for £1000

    Lloyds TSB : SAR request taken all the way to Court, Damages awarded.

    Lloyds TSB PPI : FOS found in my favour, awaiting settlement figure.

    Capital ONE : Issued Court papers, refund of £635.38

    Barclaycard
    : Refund of charges £456.16

    VIRGIN MEDIA : Request of charges, LBA sent

    LLoyds TSB : Refund of charges sent

    Littlewoods/NDR/Moorcroft : You have no idea

  13. #13
    Site Team steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064's Avatar

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Dec 2006
    I am in
    Lancashire
    Posts
    15,513

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Jim

    I think the advice you have been given on this thread is perfect. Gat them to confirm that by 'no further action' they mean that the remainder will not be passed on to another party for collection - in other words, although the debt is only partially settled, the arrangement constitutes a Full and finalicon settlement between you and them.

    Steven

    Using CAG Toolbar will generate much needed income - Download Here

    Confused by Simple Interest? Confounded by Compound Interest? Read my Interest Tutorial

    My Wins

    GE Money Won unconditionally May 2007
    NatWest
    Won unconditionally August 2007
    Brighthouse Won unconditionally August 2007
    Goldfish Won unconditionally April 2008 (including CI on the basis of Sempra)
    Clydesdale Financial Services (now BPF) Won unconditionally February 2008

    Any opinions are without prejudice & without liability. Do not take any legal action on my advice alone. Almost everything I know concerning the law I learned from this site.

    Please note, I will not give advice by PM. Please
    send a link
    to your thread and I will do my best to answer there.

  14. #14
    Classic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Make a contribution
    underdog13 Highly informative underdog13 Highly informative underdog13 Highly informative underdog13 Highly informative underdog13 Highly informative underdog13 Highly informative underdog13's Avatar

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    2,601

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Pike View Post
    Hi Jogs
    Can you explain, by third person do you mean someone else to pay it on my behalf and I pay them back, or someone like the cccs.
    Cheers
    Jim
    Your local CAB may be able to help you with this.


  15. #15
    Basic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    Jim Pike Novitiate

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Feb 2009
    I am in
    England
    Posts
    130

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Hi all

    Update

    I did as havinastella suggested and paid the amount through a third person.

    True to their word (so far) I have not heard anything else from MBNAicon A&L regarding the remainder, so I think by now that they intend to keep their word and not send anyone else after me for the balance.

    I will of course keep all correspondence and tapes of calls, for many years (just in case)

    Jim


    Did anyone else from this thread go forward and offer F&F successfully ??


  16. #16
    Site Team steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064 Authoritative steven4064's Avatar

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Dec 2006
    I am in
    Lancashire
    Posts
    15,513

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Hi Jim

    I haven't heard that anyone else took this route sucessfully. Wise to keet the correspondence, etc. Probably 7 years is enough though.

    Steven

    Using CAG Toolbar will generate much needed income - Download Here

    Confused by Simple Interest? Confounded by Compound Interest? Read my Interest Tutorial

    My Wins

    GE Money Won unconditionally May 2007
    NatWest
    Won unconditionally August 2007
    Brighthouse Won unconditionally August 2007
    Goldfish Won unconditionally April 2008 (including CI on the basis of Sempra)
    Clydesdale Financial Services (now BPF) Won unconditionally February 2008

    Any opinions are without prejudice & without liability. Do not take any legal action on my advice alone. Almost everything I know concerning the law I learned from this site.

    Please note, I will not give advice by PM. Please
    send a link
    to your thread and I will do my best to answer there.

  17. #17
    Basic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    Jim Pike Novitiate

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Feb 2009
    I am in
    England
    Posts
    130

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Hi steven4064

    Thanks for the reply.

    I see only too often that there is no follow ups to threads, it leaves the reader wondering what has happened next (after reading hundreds of posts sometimes). I just thought that folks should know not to be too shy of doing F&F with creditors as some are OKish.

    Yes totally agree I will keep paperwork etc probably much longer than 7 years.

    Hope someone else sees this and reports similar results.

    Cheers
    Jim


  18. #18
    Basic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    minmoo Novitiate minmoo's Avatar

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Oct 2010
    I am in
    Eugenes lair
    Posts
    344

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Hi Jim, quick question. Was this originally an A&L credit card that was taken over by MBNAicon? Thanks


  19. #19
    Basic Account Holder
    Help the CAG!!
    Download our toolbar
    Jim Pike Novitiate

    Follow Real_CAG on Twitter

    Cagger since
    Feb 2009
    I am in
    England
    Posts
    130

    Default Re: Help With A&L 25% Offer

    Quote Originally Posted by minmoo View Post
    Hi Jim, quick question. Was this originally an A&L credit card that was taken over by MBNAicon? Thanks
    Hi minmoo

    Yes it was a credit card, and yes mbna were the creditors. If you are thinking of trying Full & Final with them make sure if sending payment that it is through a third person. In my case they took the 3 payments from a third persons credit card. Yea I know that credit should not be paid with credit but I suppose they didn't care.
    Cheers
    Jim



Browsealoud
Video Tour



Reclaim the Right Ltd. - reg.05783665 in the UK reg. office:- 923 Finchley Road London NW11 7PE