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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
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    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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I've just heard from the PATAS (Parking and Traffic Appeal Service) that my appeal against Haringey Council was successful.

 

I was issued with a fine for Driving in a Bus Lane by Haringey Council. I was only in the bus lane as I was turning into a car park! In spite of this the council reject all my appeals and I had to take my case to PATAS. I won as Haringey are guilty of procedural errors in their enforcement notices. If anyone on here has received a bus lane fine (and probably parking fine) from Haringey I would check their notices very, very carefully against the relavent acts (London Local Authorities Act for bus lanes) as you may well find that the council haven't adhered to the law.

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What were the grounds for your appeal?

How many metres did you drive in the bus lane before turning in to the car park?

Did PATAS uphold your appeal, and/or point out other errors in Haringeys

procedures. And were those errors, errors of judgement in turning down your appeal, or errors on the actual penalty notice?

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My grounds for appeal were that Haringey's Enforcement notice didn't comply with the LLAA '96. The adjudicator actually granted my appeal on circumstances other than my original appeal when it became clear to him that Haringey hadn't followed the proscribed procedure. The errors were errors on the notices that they issued.

 

I have since heard that all Haringey PCN's are invalid but I don't know the reason why, I believe that you may find details at appealnow.com

 

 

I would also highly recommend that people view london parking ticket - home page in connection with parking fines. Unfortunately John Squires who used to keep the website up to date no longer runs it and so it is quite out of date BUT much of the information is still valid and the quality of the information is excellent.

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Very interested to know the exact reasons of your success & would you submit a copy of the adjudicators decision to go on the London Motorists Action Group website? also the ham & high would love to run this kind of story

 

you could post it on here as text...

 

helps a lot for other people to be able to quote case names & numbers & the Adjudicators look it up & dont often like to contradict each others decisions. Not a precedent but a persuasive argument!

 

would it work on all Haringey Bus Lane PCNs do you think - or even all CCTV?

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  • 2 weeks later...

Adjudicator's Decision

 

The Adjudicator, having considered this appeal on the basis of written and personal evidence from the Appellant and written evidence from the Council, has allowed the appeal on the grounds that there was no breach of the bus lane order or regulation.

 

The reasons for the Adjudicator's decision are below.

 

The Adjudicator directs the Authority to cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Enforcement Notice.

 

Adjudicator's Reasons:

 

I am satisfied from the evidence before me that at 10.48 hours on 11th Nov '05 vehicle registration no. G****** was used in High Rd Tottenham. I am also satisfied that Nurselayer, the appellant at the time were the owners of that vehicle.

 

The issue of this appeal is whether there was breach of the bus lane regulations.

 

Nurselayer appeared in person to present this appeal and made submissions on several points.

 

I have considered the evidence from both parties and will address my judgement to one point and that is the wording of the enforcement notice dated 20th Feb 06. The notice states that if by 20th March 06 Nurselayer fails to pay or make representations, then a charge certificate will issue. Schedule 6 Para 2(3) of the Road Traffic Act '91 states that a local authority may only disregard representations that are received after 28 days from the date the enforcement notice is SERVED. This notice was dated the 20th Feb but the recipient was warned that if they did not pay or make representations 28 days from the date of its ISSUE, a charge certificate would issue. I find that this is a procedural impropriety. In any event Nurselayer made representations, which were received by the local authority on 20th Mar 06 but still a charge certificate appears to have been issued. In those circumstances because of the procedural error I will allow this appeal.

 

 

If anyone wishes to use this as an example in a defence, then the actual case number is 2060200740 - however I would rather that the name of the appellant is not published on this website as I prefer to preserve my anonimity.

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Hi,

I received a PCN from Richmond council charging me with being in a bus lane & it was noted by a CCTV-MD picturures who was observing real time pictures from the road-side camera at 10.55 (this is relevant to tell you) it was also supported by video tape evidence. The actual camera was above the bus lane with a notice under it saying Left turn into Aargon Road (which is where I was turning into) then noitice also said straight onfor buses and other traffice it also had a right hand turn off all at one set of traffic lights. I have since taken photo's of this sign. I went onto Richmond council press office site to see what I could do regarding this appeal, it was then I came across a Temprary suspension of London Road (where bus lane is) for essential lamp column replacement. after reading all the oter garbage on it I noticed the date the date the order will come into effect was Wednesday 12 July 2006 inclusive. it then followed on sayingThe prohibitons of restrictions specified in that Order will apply only during such times and to such extent asindicated by trafficsighn prescribed by the Traffic Sign Regulations and General Direction 2002. Incidently aalso on the form they showed the hours stating vehicle traffic will be permitted to proceed in the following lenghts of the bus lane on the said road from junction with Twickenham Train Station to the junction with Arragon Road 10.ooam t 4.00pm.

(sorry for being so long winded) Anyway, I sent them a letter of disputing this also enclosing a copy of the Tempory suspension notice. I got a letter back saying if I cared to pay £50 now it would be refunded if I won my case (Nice of them!!) also if I wanted a photo request one and one would be sent (Still waiting after a week of that request.

I would be very gratefull if you would advice me further on what steps Im to take or d you think I may just get of with a technical faul on their part.

Look forward to hearing from you

Regards

Kathie:confused:

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You will need to formally challenge their decision. I think you have a good chance of winning from the information that you have provided - if the bus lane is suspended on the day when they caught you I can't see how they can try to enforce it. Make sure that stick to time limits and read very carefully everything that they send you.

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Hi Thanks for getting back to me so promptly, the only worry I have is that at the time I was caught I did'nt see any road works going on. I was thinking that because of the notification of the date for road works just said 12July inclusive I may get away with a technicality as they did'nt state when works would be finished, if I lose this Im liable for £l00 which is disgusting when you try & make an appeal its almost like a punishment for sticking up for yourself.

Will let you know of outcome though.

Kathie

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kathieathome, I would put in your appeal as many reasons for the adjudicator to rule in your favour as possible.

 

Eg 1) You were only in a bus lane so as to turn left.

2) The suspension date was wrong

3) Etc, etc, etc.

 

Again I would look very, very carefully at everything that the council has sent you. In my case part of my appeal was that the law states that the council must put the amount on any increased fine on a PCN and Haringey didn't. Read the law, (most of it is in the LLA Act) and then check that the council have complied with every part of it. If they haven't then put it down in your appeal.

 

If the appeal is unsuccessful then state that you should only pay the reduced amount as you should not be penalised for appealing. You may find that the adjudicator will agree with you and move that the council accept the lower rate. If he/she asks you why you didn't pay the £50 before the appeal tell him that you thought that this might be construed as an admission of guilt.

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Can somebody help?

 

I just got a PCN for parking on Crouch End Hill, N8 at 18:45. The PCN is for 'being in a bus lane' which apparantly the parking zone is, the parking meter showed that the parking was not chargable after a certain time (long before 18:45) so I parked there ... but now have a PCN.

 

a) Is 'being in a bus lane' a valid infingment

b) There are two photos, with three minutes between them, one of these photos shows me unloading the car, is this allowed? This photo does not show the numberplate clearly

c) The address for complaint is in Worthing.

 

Please help or advise.

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You need to start your own thread... this one is over 4 years old!

 

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Can somebody help?

 

I just got a PCN for parking on Crouch End Hill, N8 at 18:45. The PCN is for 'being in a bus lane' which apparantly the parking zone is, the parking meter showed that the parking was not chargable after a certain time (long before 18:45) so I parked there ... but now have a PCN.

 

Obviously they are not going to have pay and display in a bus lane thats why its ended before 18.45

a) Is 'being in a bus lane' a valid infingment

unless you are a bus taxi or pedal cycle yes

b) There are two photos, with three minutes between them, one of these photos shows me unloading the car, is this allowed? This photo does not show the numberplate clearly

they must know your number plate they sent you a PCN, no loading is not allowed

c) The address for complaint is in Worthing.

lovely place full of cheap labour no doubt.

Please help or advise.

 

Unless the PCN is flawed or the bus lane is incorrectly signed nothing you have said so far is relevant. If you need advice post up a copy of the PCN and photos of the bus lane or google maps link.......ON A NEW THREAD

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