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    Default Esile Vs Barc 67

    Hi

    Could someone please hcomment on this for me?

    Link removed as it showed your name, address and a/c no !!

    Many thanks

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    Default Re: Esile Vs Barc 67

    Hi Esile,

    I've removed the link from your above post as you'd left in your name, address and a/c no. on the first letter.

    Please edit out the personal dataicon, then put the link back.

    Apart from the letters themselves, were the other doc'ts personal to you, or were they just BC's general T&C's.



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    Link 4. OFT Guide re s.78 CCA1974 Requests - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/OFT1272.pdf

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    Default Re: Esile Vs Barc 67

    Oops!

    Thanks Slick!

    I obviously wasn't paying attention!

    I'll re post. EC BARC 6 7 pictures by cupcake62 - Photobucket

    My name and addrss is printed at the top of page 2.

    Esile


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    Default Re: Esile Vs Barc 67

    Hi Esile,

    I meant, of the documents sent in response to your CCA request, are any of these personal to you, or could they be anyones T&C's.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
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    Default Re: Esile Vs Barc 67

    The documents they sent all look like t and c's but one of them does have my name and address at the very top. I'm guessing it was something they printed out at my cca request, not something they held on my file because it is certainly not something I have ever signed.

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    Default Re: Esile Vs Barc 67

    I can't see your name and address on any of the reply doc'ts.

    Was your signatureicon at the foot of doc't 5 of 6 showing on PBucket.

    Assuming they've just sent you the T&C's, you need to look at the CPR Strategy if you want to get sight of your credit agreement.

    See Link No 2 in my sig're below.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
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    Default Re: Esile Vs Barc 67

    Hi Slick

    I have edited the copy on photobucket to show a black blob where my detail were. It is on page 5 of 7.

    Can I not reply in the thanks for your response but t and c's do not constitute an enforceable agreement so I consider it in dispute letter that I have read on here somewhere?

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    Default Re: Esile Vs Barc 67

    See here for a ltr which says "You've only sent me T&C's so the a/c is in dispute" - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...ml#post1821561

    BC will maintain that they've fulfilled their obligations and that they're entitled to continue to pursue the alleged debt. They'll press for payment and use Mercers and others to do the same.

    That's why you need to consider the CPR Strategy.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
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    Default Re: Esile Vs Barc 67

    Ok Thanks

    So do you think I'm wasting my time sending that letter or shold I send it and take the other route at the same time?

    I have many other barc acc's I'm fighting so ned to consider it for all!

    Thanks so much for your advice

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    Default Re: Esile Vs Barc 67

    Send the letter anyway as it shows your position about their failure to comply with their obligations to provide the copy credit agreement.

    Then read up on CPR.



    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
    Link 4. OFT Guide re s.78 CCA1974 Requests - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/OFT1272.pdf

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    Default Re: Esile Vs Barc 67

    Will do!

    Thanks again

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    Default Re: cupcake68 Vs Barc 67

    Hi

    I have received this DN today EC BARC 67 DN received 010609 pictures by cupcake62 - Photobucket

    Are BC allowed to get Mercers to send the DN before they have closed the account? I know Mercers are part of BC but I can't see that on the letter anywhere.

    I think the dates work out ok but not really sure of other reasons for defective DN so could someone please advise?

    many thanks

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    Hi CC,

    There is good info about DN's and checking them here - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...efault-issues/

    Check out the Stickies at the top of the forum.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
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    Default Re: cupcake68 Vs Barc 67

    Cheers Slick

    I have been trying to read up on CPR. I am only on page 7 of 51!!

    I'll have a look tomorrow when my mind is a bit clearer.

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    Default Re: cupcake68 Vs Barc 67

    Jeepers CC, you'll go cross-eyed.

    Read the first page of the CPR thread, and smt37's thread. That'll do you fine.

    Read the rest when you've nowt else to do.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
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    Default Re: cupcake68 Vs Barc 67

    Hi Slick

    Yes a bit crossed eyed!

    Which SMT thread do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cupcake68 View Post
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    I have received this DN today EC BARC 67 DN received 010609 pictures by cupcake62 - Photobucket

    Are BC allowed to get Mercers to send the DN before they have closed the account? I know Mercers are part of BC but I can't see that on the letter anywhere.

    I think the dates work out ok but not really sure of other reasons for defective DN so could someone please advise?

    many thanks

    CC68
    Cupcake... In my opinion the default notice is faulty for three reasons....

    1) No allowance for service, sent on a Thurs(28th) two working days for service(1st class post) takes you to 14th but as its 14 clear days required it should be the 15th they give you up to.

    2) No address for the original lender as they are defaulting you on behalf of the OC

    3) Prescribed words not in the correct format, need to stand out from all the other text, usually upper case/bold and underlined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cupcake68 View Post
    Hi Slick

    Yes a bit crossed eyed!

    Which SMT thread do you mean?

    CC68
    This one

    http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...-goldfish.html


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    Default Re: cupcake68 Vs Barc 67

    Thanks Shadow

    So the fact that I have only received the DN from Mercers is incorrect? Will they not just claim that they are one of the same?

    (I am asking this because we have 5 Barclaycard acc between us and we have had DN's for each one but all from Mercers and I was originally under the impression that they were not defective so this would be great news!)

    CC68

    Ps Thanks for the link!


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    Quote Originally Posted by cupcake68 View Post
    Thanks Shadow

    So the fact that I have only received the DN from Mercers is incorrect? Will they not just claim that they are one of the same?

    (I am asking this because we have 5 Barclaycard acc between us and we have had DN's for each one but all from Mercers and I was originally under the impression that they were not defective so this would be great news!)

    CC68

    Ps Thanks for the link!
    Cupcake.

    taken from consumer credit enforcement default and termination notices & regulations 1983... the default notice must contain:

    Parties to agreement
    2
    (1) The name and a postal address of the creditor or owner.
    (2) The name and a postal address of the debtor or hirer.
    As Mercers are stating they are working on behalf of their client Barclaysicon they are neither the owner or the creditor in my humble opinion.

    [Emphasized the word their as its what they claim]

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