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I have just received a £60 fine for ignoring this red arrow which it appears meant no right turn and I did indeed turn right as I saw traffic going in that direction.This happened at a T junction.I am familiar with the regular "no right turn " sign in blue but not the red arrow.There were no words alongside the sign which I took to mean an event sign..horse show,market or such.Are the Council,in this case Ealing, allowed to use their own signs? and do they have to comply with any particular regulation.This particular Council issued me with a parking ticket a few years ago for parking in a private layby on which they had painted yellow lines! The owner came out and told me he owned that road and as a result the tickes was cancelled,no apology or explanation.They try it on regularly according to the owner of the slip road.
Within the regulations laid down, there are two ways to sign a no right turn at a T junction.
One is the No Right Turn sign as illustrated by G&M.
The other is to mandate a left turn by use of either a white arrow on a circular blue back ground or, if traffic lights are involved, for the green aspect to be an arrow pointing left.
Any other sign, unless specifically agreed for the location by an exemption from the SoS has no value for enforcement.
Within the regulations laid down, there are two ways to sign a no right turn at a T junction.
One is the No Right Turn sign as illustrated by G&M.
The other is to mandate a left turn by use of either a white arrow on a circular blue back ground or, if traffic lights are involved, for the green aspect to be an arrow pointing left.
Any other sign, unless specifically agreed for the location by an exemption from the SoS has no value for enforcement.
Thanks for your information,how do I check with SoS I have never heard of them or G&M ,the sign was definitely a simple red arrow on the approaching wall or hoarding.
the sign was definitely a simple red arrow on the approaching wall or hoarding.
I think some of us are still scatching our heads over what sign you are describing. Can you show us a pic of it or find a match in the traffic signs regs like G&M did?
Thanks for your information,how do I check with SoS I have never heard of them or G&M ,the sign was definitely a simple red arrow on the approaching wall or hoarding.
G&M is Green & Mean, who posted earlier in the thread.
SoS is Secretary of State.
If a highway authority wants to use signs other than those prescribed in the TSRGD 2002 (Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions) or use prescribed signs in a non-prescribed way, then they require the express permission of the SoS (IOW, the Department of Transport) to permit this.
As posted by Crem, we really need to see photos of the sign(s) or a precise location (for Google)
You don't check with the SoS (its only a minion who signs them on behalf of the SoS). You check with the DfT. (Department of Transport). they list them on the web Department for Transport - Non-prescribed traffic signs but you should contact them directly.
You don't check with the SoS (its only a minion who signs them on behalf of the SoS). You check with the DfT. (Department of Transport). they list them on the web Department for Transport - Non-prescribed traffic signs but you should contact them directly.
Alternatively, the relevant highway authority (Council) will have a copy - although that may need a FoI request if they want to be awkward.
Alternatively, the relevant highway authority (Council) will have a copy - although that may need a FoI request if they want to be awkward.
Hi
Thanks for your help.On going back to take a picture I now see two signs displayed which I am sure weren't there when the incident occured two weeks ago.Everyone I spoke to maintains they were there all the time.As a side issue ,why are the penalties issued by the Council and not the police? all enquiries about this were handled by the "parking department of Ealing Council"
HAs a side issue ,why are the penalties issued by the Council and not the police? all enquiries about this were handled by the "parking department of Ealing Council"
Welcome to the Brave NuLabour World of decriminalised enforcement of 'minor' traffic offences and the absolute iniquity of the RK/owner being held responsible for the driver's actions on the road.
Not that this helps you, but I now have my own CCTV carmer in the car (attached to the rear view mirror) which records continuously to an 8Gb SD card. In disputes like these, it is invaluable to review the images and spot when the council (or driver) screws up.
These days, drivers are needing their own independent witnesses to rebut the often spurious charges made mased on the council's own CCTV installation. It really is £40 well spent!
Simple Red arrow traffic sign is it legal
a few years ago for parking in a private layby on which they had painted yellow lines! The owner came out and told me he owned that road and as a result the tickes was cancelled,no apology or explanation.They try it on regularly according to the owner of the slip road.
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