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    Default AngryCat -v- BC (Goldfish)

    Quote Originally Posted by slick132 View Post
    The other consideration in all this is that BC have effectively been refusing to produce credit agreements recently, thereby denying the consumer the right to see if there is an enforceable agreement.

    SMT has used the CPR strategy laid out by Pt2537 to force BC to produce the agreement.

    If they CAN produce it, and I'm sure they'll try looking hard this time, then it can be checked for enforceability.

    If they CAN'T produce it, injuction time and GAME OVER for BC on this a/c.
    Sorry, if this question has already been asked but I have only just started to view this thread.

    Are BC refusing to produce any and all credit agreements, or is it just agreements that were previously: Morgan Stanley/Goldfish agreements?

    If not securitisation comes to mind.

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    Default Re: smt37 vs Morgan Stanley/Goldfish/Barclaycard ** ORDER TO PRODUCE CCA CPR31.16 WIN ***

    Hello AC!

    If not securitisation comes to mind.
    Spooky, you read my thoughts!

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    Default Re: smt37 vs Morgan Stanley/Goldfish/Barclaycard ** ORDER TO PRODUCE CCA CPR31.16 WIN ***

    Yes BRW,
    All that glistens is not golden...!

    I can fully understand why BC are reluctant to provide pre 2001 MS/Goldfish agreements.
    However, if the reluctance relates to other and general BC agreements, I would have thought that the answer is fairly obvious;
    the alleged debts are in Limbo.

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    Default Re: smt37 vs Morgan Stanley/Goldfish/Barclaycard ** ORDER TO PRODUCE CCA CPR31.16 WIN ***

    Quote Originally Posted by angry cat View Post

    If not securitisation comes to mind.

    AC
    Its all agreements at the mo....

    They wont answer direct questions about that either

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    Default Re: smt37 vs Morgan Stanley/Goldfish/Barclaycard ** ORDER TO PRODUCE CCA CPR31.16 WIN ***

    Quote Originally Posted by the_shadow View Post
    Its all agreements at the mo....

    They wont answer direct questions about that either

    S.
    If that is the case, then I would be asking for notarised proof that the account(s) have not been securitised.
    Notarised: A document stamped and signed by a Notary Public.
    I would also request that said document be countersigned by their Company Secretary.

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    Default Re: smt37 vs Morgan Stanley/Goldfish/Barclaycard ** ORDER TO PRODUCE CCA CPR31.16 WIN ***

    a company who wants to be paid but messes about avoiding producing the agreement is a company who simply doesnt have the agreement!!


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    Default Re: smt37 vs Morgan Stanley/Goldfish/Barclaycard ** ORDER TO PRODUCE CCA CPR31.16 WIN ***

    Hi,

    I started to look at securitisation for Barclaycard a couple of weeks ago, but got very muddled. They use two securitisation companies, Gracechurch No.-something or other, and I think the other one was Cumbernauld something. These companies appear to be affiliated to bcard, so I wasn't certain how that worked . Then I went on to check if they held licences and some of them said 'historical' which I didn't understand.

    That is as far as I got. Maybe someone who understands this stuff rather better than I do could have a look.

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    Default Re: smt37 vs Morgan Stanley/Goldfish/Barclaycard ** ORDER TO PRODUCE CCA CPR31.16 WIN ***

    can someone point us to links to explain securtisation so we can gen up on it and its effects?

    thanks


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    Default Re: AngryCat -v- BC (Goldfish)

    Hi AngryCat,

    I've moved your post and subsequent replies into your own BC thread, to avoid further hijack of smt37's thread.

    I think BC have produced SOME credit agreements recently but ONLY where BC have acquired the a/c by a take-over.

    I'll come back if I see any examples.



    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
    Link 4. OFT Guide re s.78 CCA1974 Requests - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/OFT1272.pdf

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    Default Re: AngryCat -v- BC (Goldfish)

    Ahaa,

    Here's a case where BC have supplied a Monument agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...ml#post2139887



    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
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    Default Re: AngryCat -v- BC (Goldfish)

    Hi Slick132!

    Not quite sure why you created a thread for me re: Barclacard, a I am not at odds with them. Apart fron the fact that they continue to unlawfully process my data re: a Morgan Stanley account that was settled some time ago.

    My only intention in posting up on the previous thread was to assist others concerned on that particular thread.

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    Default Re: AngryCat -v- BC (Goldfish)

    Hi AC,

    I moved your post and all the replies to avoid further hijack of smt's thread. Many are following it and need to see how the case progresses, which is difficult with all the subbingicon and congrats making hte thread so much longer.

    Your comments are of course valid and will be seen by all, just not on THAT thread. Hope I haven't made you an ANGRIER CAT.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
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    Default Re: AngryCat -v- BC (Goldfish)

    Not at all, these days this cat spends a lot of time purring and whilst purring, planning on how to catch the rats...

    AC


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    Default Re: AngryCat -v- BC (Goldfish)

    Hi AC,

    Glad to hear it........

    Funnily enough, this was the post I read before yours - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...ml#post2143198

    How ironic !

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
    Link 4. OFT Guide re s.78 CCA1974 Requests - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/OFT1272.pdf

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