Parking fine issued 10mins after expiry of free ticket.

**skyelet** · 23rd April 2009 22:56

pcn

Issued by a local council observed 5 mins after the expiry of a 30mins free ticket issued 5mins after that, so 10mins after the expiry. Total cost if a ticket had been bought for these extra 10mins = 30pence

Any thoughts ? Do i need to pay this one? or should i wait for a NtO?

**green_and_mean** · 24th April 2009 08:51

Why would you want to wait for the NTO and lose your discount, you need to decide if you have grounds to appeal now rather than later.

**Al27** · 24th April 2009 09:27

Can we see the pcn icon

?

30 pence ticket is irrelevant really I'm afraid.

**skyelet** · 25th April 2009 10:40

sure ill post the pcn icon

on laters

**skyelet** · 5th May 2009 22:58

any other thoughts? time is ticking...

**Feebee_71** · 6th May 2009 07:20

It would help if you had posted the pcn icon

so those site members with knowledge can look as it and tell you if it is legal.

Feebee_71

**TheBogsDollocks** · 6th May 2009 18:56

I'm not clear on exactly what kind of machine dispensed the free ticket but I'll assume it is a normal P&D machine, in which case you may have one argument that you can at least use as an appeal point.

I would ask for evidence that the parking meter clock was consulted prior to the issue of the pcn icon

or that the CEO synchronised the hand held computer clock with the meter clock.

DfT guidance recommends that one of the above actions should be done.

The time on the ticket and whether it has expired can only be accurately assessed by the clock that issued the ticket. The CEO's watch or HH computer are unlikely to be to the exact timing of the meter clock and unless the meter clock was consulted (a note in the log book or a photo) then it is possible the CEO's clock was 10 minutes or more faster than the meter clock.

**dave** · 7th May 2009 17:22

Generally, the NtO won't be worth the paper it's written on - the vast majority of parking cases can be thrown out on the incorrect issuing of the NtO if they don't listen to reason or use common sense.

This does mean a gamble on your part - whilst I have not yet seen a correctly issued NtO, this doesn't mean that they don't exist, if you wait for your NtO then you lose the option of the discount, so the call is yours.

**skyelet** · 10th May 2009 21:33

okay thanks guys, im just gonna hold out on this one.

**skyelet** · 22nd May 2009 14:57

NTO's and tickets

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8599/nto.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8900/nto2.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1373/tickets.jpg

help please anyone?

**Al27** · 22nd May 2009 15:59

Looks ok, but we need the back of the pcn icon

and the third page of the NTO.

**skyelet** · 13th June 2009 21:46

damn, only just checked on this, i got till the 18th to submit something to them, i will upload the 3rd page and back in a few mins

**skyelet** · 13th June 2009 22:16

here is page 3 and back of the pcn icon

..... swift help would be mucho appreciated! i can send response recorded delivery

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9540/page3drb.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4790/backpcn.jpg

**snasher05** · 13th June 2009 22:28

Dave, you state "
Generally, the NtO won't be worth the paper it's written on - the vast majority of parking cases can be thrown out on the incorrect issuing of the NtO if they don't listen to reason or use common sense.

This does mean a gamble on your part - whilst I have not yet seen a correctly issued NtO, this doesn't mean that they don't exist, if you wait for your NtO then you lose the option of the discount, so the call is yours."

This could be relevant to my case (posted yesterday). Do I wait too, or is it worth one more "informal" challenge within the discount period - if so, do I get a letter ready to go off on Monday. In what ways are NTOs not correctly issued please?

**skyelet** · 14th June 2009 22:23

if anyone could point me in the direction of NtO's not being correctly issued guidelines, it would be greatly appreciated!

**skyelet** · 15th June 2009 12:54

anyone?

**lamma** · 15th June 2009 13:32

No, no one can. Have can you have a guide to 'incorrectness' which is by definition limitless ? Just use the regs that show what should be in an NTO and find the variances as may be.

**heliosfa** · 16th June 2009 23:42

a bump to get you some attention...

**skyelet** · 19th June 2009 12:31

thanks lamma... i think. ive looked at the regs and all seems to be in order

**snasher05** · 19th June 2009 12:35

Originally Posted by dave

Generally, the NtO won't be worth the paper it's written on - the vast majority of parking cases can be thrown out on the incorrect issuing of the NtO if they don't listen to reason or use common sense.

This does mean a gamble on your part - whilst I have not yet seen a correctly issued NtO, this doesn't mean that they don't exist, if you wait for your NtO then you lose the option of the discount, so the call is yours.

But if Dave is correct, then if we knew what to look for then something in the NTO would be incorrect. Have I read Dave wrong, or is he wrong then and the NTO issued is infact correct?

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