I've CCA Littlewoods how long have they got to reply?

**ccjjl82** · 18th April 2009 13:57

I sent request for SAR icon

and CCA to Littlewoods, and they signed for my letter 3rd April. I recieved a letter today confirming my SAR icon

and they will contact me soon, but no mention of CCA even though it was in the same letter I sent and the cheques were in the same envelope

How long do they have for SAR?
And when do they go into default for the CCA. And what do I do then?
Many thanks.

**clemma** · 20th April 2009 13:46

They have until the 23rd April to respond to your CCA request (12 working days after receiving your letter). They have had slightly more time than normal due to bank holidays icon

. If you have no response by then, you can put the account into dispute.

The dispute letter you send depends upon what they respond with. If you post back here on the 23rd then you will get the information and letter you need

As for the SAR icon

- they have 40 days from date of receipt (including non-working days) so I would say they have until the 14th May.

**ccjjl82** · 22nd April 2009 20:23

Thanks clemma, will post back tomorrow then. They sent me a letter today though saying thanks for my letter recieved 16th April (they signed for it on the 3rd

) they are looking into my complaint. And they didnt spell my name right!
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**ccjjl82** · 24th April 2009 20:00

I should have heard of them yesterday. 12+2 days are up so that means they have gone into default, doesnt it?
Should I send them a letter? Or just wait till it becomes an offense?
Thanks
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**clemma** · 24th April 2009 20:07

You can send them the following letter. Remember PRINT do not sign icon

and send recorded delivery.

Dear Sir/Madam

I DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ANY DEBT

ACCOUNT IN DISPUTE

You have failed to respond to my legal request to supply me a true copy of the original Consumer Credit Agreement for the above account.

On **DATE** I made a formal request for a true signed agreement for the alleged account under consumer credit Act 1974 s77/8. A copy of which is enclosed for your perusal and ease of reference.

You have failed to comply with my request, and as such the account is now in default as of **DATE**.(12+2 days after you sent the CCA request)

The document that you are obliged to send me is a true copy of the executed agreement that contained all of the prescribed terms, all other required terms and statutory notices and was signed by both your company and myself as defined in section 61(1) of CCA 74 and subsequent Statutory Instruments. If the executed agreement contained any reference to any other document, you are also obliged to send me a copy of that document.In addition a full statement of this account should have been sent to me detailing all debits and credits to the account.

Furthermore;

You are aware that the Consumer Credit Act allows 12 working days for a request for a true copy of a credit agreement to be carried out before your client enters into a default situation. This limit has expired

As you are no doubt aware section 78(6) states:

If the creditor fails to comply with Subsection (1)(a) He is not entitled , while the default continues, to enforce the agreement.Therefore this account has become unenforceable at law.

As you have Failed to comply with a lawful request for a true, signed copy of the said agreement and other relevant documents mentioned in it, Failed to send a full statement of the account and Failed to provide any of the documentation requested. Consequentially any legal action you pursue will be averred as both UNLAWFUL and VEXATIOUS. Furthermore I shall counterclaim that any such action constitutes unlawful harassment.

Please note you may also consider this letter as a statutory notice under section 10 of the Data Protection Act to cease processing any data in relation to this account with immediate effect. This means you must remove all information regarding this account from your own internal records and from my records with any credit reference agencies.

Should you refuse to comply, you must within 21 days provide me with a detailed Breakdown icon

of your reasoning behind continuing to process my data. It is not sufficient to simply state that you have a ‘legal right’; You must outline your reasoning in this matter and state upon which legislation this reasoning depends. Should you not respond within 14 days I expect that this means you agree to remove all such data.

Furthermore you should be aware that a creditor is not permitted to take ANY action against an account whilst it remains in dispute.
The lack of a credit agreement is a very clear dispute and as such the following applies.

* You may not demand any payment on the account, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you.
* You may not add further interest icon

or any charges to the account.
* You may not pass the account to a third party.
* You may not register any information in respect of the account with any credit reference agency.
* You may not issue a default notice related to the account.

I reserve the right to report your actions to any such regulatory authorities as I see fit. You have 14 days from receiving this letter to contact me with your intentions to resolve this matter which is now a formal complaint. I therefore request a copy of your official complaints procedure which you are obliged to supply.
I would appreciate your due diligence in this matter.
I look forward to hearing from you in writing.

Yours faithfully,

**ccjjl82** · 24th April 2009 21:01

Thanks clemma I appreciate your help.
Thats now printed and in its envelope ready to go off tomorrow (I'm a bit eager

)
Also included in there a print off of their signature icon

for delivery of my request letter

Lets sit back now and wait.
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**basa48** · 24th April 2009 23:05

Originally Posted by ccjjl82

I sent request for SAR icon

and CCA to Littlewoods, and they signed for my letter 3rd April. I recieved a letter today confirming my SAR icon

and they will contact me soon, but no mention of CCA even though it was in the same letter I sent and the cheques were in the same envelope

How long do they have for SAR?
And when do they go into default for the CCA. And what do I do then?
Many thanks.

Did you make it clear in your letter that it was two separate and distinct requests, i.e. one for the CCA with a fee of £1.00 plus a second for SAR with a fee of £10.00??

The second request (SAR) should ideally have been addressed to the Data Controller.

If you did make it clear this was two requests in one then yes the deadline for the CCA has passed and you can put them to dispute.

But I really wouldn't have done it that way, I would have sent two letters.

They could claim they were confused.

PS: Is this for a catalogue agreement, if so when did you take out the account??

**ccjjl82** · 27th April 2009 23:05

Originally Posted by basa48

Did you make it clear in your letter that it was two separate and distinct requests, i.e. one for the CCA with a fee of £1.00 plus a second for SAR icon

with a fee of £10.00??

The second request (SAR icon

) should ideally have been addressed to the Data Controller.

If you did make it clear this was two requests in one then yes the deadline for the CCA has passed and you can put them to dispute.

But I really wouldn't have done it that way, I would have sent two letters.

They could claim they were confused.

PS: Is this for a catalogue agreement, if so when did you take out the account??

Hi basa, yes I did make it clear. Explained I would like copy of agreement therefore attached £1 fee to be used solely for this, the same for the SAR. I even stated at the bottom of the letter enclosed £10 cheque for SAR, £1 cheque for Credit Agreement.
Yes this is for a catalogue. I took it out back in 2002 I think, they have already told me they werent regulated by fsa back then. Have asked who they were regulated by if this would make any difference. Do you want me to post a copy of the original letter up (you have me thinking I have got it wrong now!

)

**basa48** · 27th April 2009 23:18

Originally Posted by ccjjl82

Hi basa, yes I did make it clear. Explained I would like copy of agreement therefore attached £1 fee to be used solely for this, the same for the SAR icon

. I even stated at the bottom of the letter enclosed £10 cheque for SAR icon

, £1 cheque for Credit Agreement.
Yes this is for a catalogue. I took it out back in 2002 I think, they have already told me they werent regulated by fsa back then. Have asked who they were regulated by if this would make any difference. Do you want me to post a copy of the original letter up (you have me thinking I have got it wrong now!

)

All credit agreements (and a catalogue is one) are regulated by the CCA 1974 and CCRegs 1983. The FSA is irrelevant.

It is fairly well accepted that catalogues didn't send out 'agreements' as such.

My OH has had (did have

) a Littlewoods account and admitted they didn't have an agreement. They have agreed to not pursue the debt and not default us.

Chances are you are in the same boat.

**ccjjl82** · 30th April 2009 20:14

After looking on here, basa, I have seen a lot of people who have had unenforceable 'agreements' with Littlewoods (or basically no agreement produced). I think I may be joining them! Really all I wanted was my insurance premiums back that was wrongfully added to my account, but they didnt want to play ball

, so looks like we will have to go down this way instead.

**basa48** · 30th April 2009 21:29

I didn't have to wait very long before I got their letter of admission. You should look forward to yours soon :grin:

**john4janie** · 4th May 2009 14:09

Hi

sorry to hijack someone else's thread but can't find how to start a new one!

My query is similar to the main one in that I intend to dispute a Littlewoods account. The account was first opened in 2006 (ish) in my husbands name. A credit agreement was never signed.

Some time later my husband and I split up but I continued to use the account and make the requested payments. I emailed littlewoods to tell them that i would take over the payments and they replied saying they would need official contact from my husband to change the account into my name. This was never done as I have no contact with him. I have continued to use the account as well as make regular payments and no payment has ever been missed.

My question is whether the debt is enforceable - I have wondered whether the signing for goods constitutes acceptance of the debt.

Hope someone can give me some advice

Thank you
Janie

**basa48** · 4th May 2009 16:51

Originally Posted by john4janie

Hi

sorry to hijack someone else's thread but can't find how to start a new one!

My query is similar to the main one in that I intend to dispute a Littlewoods account. The account was first opened in 2006 (ish) in my husbands name. A credit agreement was never signed.

Some time later my husband and I split up but I continued to use the account and make the requested payments. I emailed littlewoods to tell them that i would take over the payments and they replied saying they would need official contact from my husband to change the account into my name. This was never done as I have no contact with him. I have continued to use the account as well as make regular payments and no payment has ever been missed.

My question is whether the debt is enforceable - I have wondered whether the signing for goods constitutes acceptance of the debt.

Hope someone can give me some advice

Thank you
Janie

If the account is in your (ex) husband's name, why are you continuing to service it?

In any case if no agreement was signed, again, why are you paying it?

Signing for receipt of goods only confirms receipt of goods, not that there is an agreement.

Stop paying, there is nothing Littlewoods can do. If you were really mean you could possibly order goods and not pay, saying you understood as it is your husbands account he would pay!!!

Incidentally only your husband could ask for the agreement anyway!

**ccjjl82** · 6th May 2009 14:42

john4janie, I agree with basa. Its not in your name, if there is an agreement, so you cant be responsible for the debt.

quick update, Littlewoods cashed in both cheques for CCA and SAR icon

yesterday, which is 2 weeks after they should have had my cca sent to me. Oh well, just another 16 days before it becomes a criminal offence

tick tock.
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**basa48** · 6th May 2009 21:14

Originally Posted by ccjjl82

Oh well, just another 16 days before it becomes a criminal offence

tick tock.
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**basa48** · 6th May 2009 21:14

Originally Posted by ccjjl82

Oh well, just another 16 days before it becomes a criminal offence

tick tock.
c

Sorry the 'criminal offence' after 30 days was repealed a while ago.

**ccjjl82** · 9th May 2009 21:11

Originally Posted by basa48

Sorry the 'criminal offence' after 30 days was repealed a while ago.

Oh, I didnt know!

Thanks for letting me know.
Time for an update anyway;
recieved my SAR icon

, and I can only just make some sense of it. There was only statements going back 6 years but I guess that because they hold info for 6 yrs icon

.
And there was no cca or any type of agreement in there.
I asked for a recording of me agreeing to their insurance and they said they only started recording calls March 2007

(I joined April 2001).
Looking at the charges page, there is an insurance sale on a certain date, followed by an insurance upgrade both made by telephone. However on the statements there was no order placed on these dates. Which further backs up my case, because that means they would have actually phoned me up just to sell this insurance on two occasions. And I am sure I would have remembered this!
I dont know what step to take next. I have sent the letter regarding no CCA recieved therefore I acknowledge no debt, which they have recieved. It was even in my SAR icon

noted that they had recieved fee for CCA. Do I just leave them to it now?

**basa48** · 9th May 2009 22:21

Now you've written saying you dispute the debt because there is no signed credit agreement, you should just sit back and wait.

I anticipate they will write (eventually) to say they can't find an agreement (because there isn't one!! duh) and won't pursue it any more.

Edit: I should really learn to read!!!

You should send off a letter saying you dispute the account and do not acknowledge any debt because there is no properly executed credit agreement.

Say also you are not obliged to pay and they should not pursue or pass on the debt, or record defaults.

Ask them to either produce a valid agreement or write the debt off.

There are standard 'dispute' letters around.

Make it reasonably short, but include all the relevant points.

**ccjjl82** · 11th May 2009 18:34

Thanks Basa, yes I have sent them a letter stating that. But I have just checked online and it still hasnt been delivered!

I sent it 2 weeks ago! Royal Mail for you. I will chase that up, and probally send it again. Either way I aint paying them a penny!:grin:

**ccjjl82** · 16th May 2009 17:13

Royal Mail have 'lost' my letter

What do I pay the postage for? So I have printed another one to send off.
Meanwhile I recieved a letter off Shop Direct yesterday just saying that they have already told me I cant have my premiums back (we'll see

) and enclosed a copy of the terms and conditions icon

of the CURRENT insurance they have as they no longer have copies of the original one that I asked for that was wrongfully 'applied' to my account.
They have answered my question of who regulated them back in 2001 and its the Finance and Leasing Organisation. Does anyone know anything about them, and if this info can work to my advantage?
And again they have stated they recieved my request for a CCA, on a letter dated 13th may, 20 DAYS after they should have had it to me

ah well!
Thought I would have had a bombardment of phone calls icon

off them as I havent paid them a penny for 2 months!

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