Westminster 2 PCNs - code 27 and 01, please help URGENT!

**rickydaprince** · 13th April 2009 16:39

Hey guys, happy Easter! This is my first time posting on here, although I have been visiting the site before. THANK YOU for your time in reading this post.

Anyway, I have recently received 2 PCNs, both from Westminster Council, consisting of 1 through the post (CCTV) for contravention 01, and another stuck to my windscreen for contravention 27. I was wondering if I stood any chance of appealing against these two PCNs and if so, on what grounds? I have about a week left to make an informal representation (sorry for the delay), so ideally I would be sending off my appeal by Wednesday/Thursday...any quick inputs are highly valued!

I have uploaded all sides to both the PCNs in 2 different galleries, please follow these links:

CCTV pcn for Contravention 01

PCN for Contravention 27
Additional photos for contravention 27 *edit* (p.s.: to avoid any confusion, the black honda civic in my car, not the green one, and since the day of the contravention was a Sunday, parking on single yellow lines in Westminster was allowed)

Regarding the CCTV PCN with contravention code 01 (parking on double yellow line), I'm not sure but I don't think I have a chance of appeal because I stopped on the double yellow line, and got out the car (to see a doctor for about 5 mins!), therefore I wasn't loading or unloading. However, I recently read about the CCTVs in Westminster being inadequate from here: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...v-cameras.html
Is there any ground to appeal against the CCTV PCN?

Secondly, regarding the PCN with contravention code 27 (dropped kerb), I have uploaded additional images concerning the area and the dropped footway to give you guys a good visual image (some photos were taken a week later so my car wasn’t there anymore and someone else got a ticket!). I have checked the opposite side of the road and it is clear that there isn't another dropped kerb... so it leads me to conclude that the dropped footway seems to be for cyclists since there is a small area for cyclists to park up in the alley way. However, I didn't block the whole dropped footway but only my bumper blocked a small proportion of it (in one of the additional photos, I have marked where the dropped footway starts and ends), but still there is more than enough room for any bicycle to get past. In addition, I backed up as far as I could, since there was a resident bay behind me.

Anyway, please take a look at the images I have attached, and any advice and feedback is very much appreciated! THANKS once again.

- Ricky

**crem** · 13th April 2009 17:49

It seems quite silly that the residents bay ends just a few feet short of this dropped kerb thereby making it impossible to park a vehicle in that space. It would have been more sensible to take the residents bay right up to that point and then it would have been clearer that you shouldn't try to squeeze a car in straight after the bay.

**rickydaprince** · 14th April 2009 11:19

Any ideas guys? I am mainly concerned with the pcn icon

for contravention 27 (dropped kerb). Thanks!

**green_and_mean** · 14th April 2009 15:48

I would question the purpose of the drop kerb if what you say is correct and there is not one opposite. A cycle is not meant to cycle on the footway so would not need a drop kerb its only mentioned in the statute because cycle paths also have drop kerbs but this is not a cycle path.

**rickydaprince** · 14th April 2009 16:22

Thanks green_and_mean, I'll look into that. There is certainly no dropped kerb on the opposite side of the road, as can be seen in the additional images.

Do you have any views on the CCTV pcn icon

contravention 01? I quote from article on theregister.co.uk: "The cameras fall foul of the Traffic Management Act of 2004 which only came into force in 2008...The TMA rules state that cameras must operate at 720 x 576 pixels - Westminster Council's only work at 704 x 576." Would this invalidate the PCN? Thanks!

**lamma** · 14th April 2009 16:37

Westminster reported to have stopped CCTV enforcement for parking on March 31st due to this issue (cameras not an 'approved device').
worth checking.

**green_and_mean** · 14th April 2009 16:55

As far as the cameras are concerned from my understanding they ceased using the non approved wi fi cameras for parking as they only made up about 10% of Westminsters CCTV its unlikely they risked using them considering the huge press coverage, but feel free to check.

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