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Last year my husband was claiming housing benefit then he was offered a job and signed off in June. Then in October he lost the job and claimed again. This week we noticed that our HB was short we phoned the council and they said they were taking £9.75 a week because he was overpaid last year.
We have no idea what this overpayment is about at no time have the council written to us about it and our rent is now short. Can someone please tell me if the council should have written to us about the overpayment?
Yes they should have written. Ask for copies of all letters regarding this overpayment and a statement of what has been paid and when.
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I accidently posted about this on the legal issuse thread but this is what has happened. Last year my husband was on pension credit and housing benefit then he was offered a job so in june he signed off. He lost the job in October so started claiming housing benefit and pension credit again. Then he recently noticed that £9.75 a week was being deducted from our housing benefit when he contacted the council they said it was for benefit overpayment so I need to know the following.
1) Should they have informed us of the overpayment
2 Should we ask why it has taken them so long to discover it.
The reason I need to know is that it is now leaving us short on our rent and £9.75 a week is a lot of money.
The information about recovering the overpayment should have been on your hb/ctc award letter but frankly this notification letter is so difficult for the layman to read I'm not surprised you didn't realise it was being recovered.
You only mention getting housing benefit - are you not getting council tax benefit as well? I would contact the council and ask about council tax benefit as well (just to make sure it has been calculated correctly) and ask when this overpayment will finish being paid back. If it is causing you severe fianncial hardship you can ask/appeal for a reduced amount to be taken - but it may be that you should have asked earlier. Sorry, I'm not sure how this works but if you don't ask the answer stays 'no'.
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I agree that the average person does not understand the figures they lay down on their benefit decision notice. I recommend arranging an interview with someone from the benefits or housing department and have them explain exactly what each figure means. I did it last year as they had the wrong figures for 'Assumed Income from Capital'
The capital they said I had was incorrect, as unbeknown to those of us who need to claim benefit, especially HB is that, when you take them your three months of bank statements, if your last bank statement is quite healthy, ie. at the beginning of the month they will use this figure as your capital and work out your assumed income and any benefits they may pay you using this figure. If over the next 6 months or so, your average bank balance is only a few tens or hundreds of pounds you should take in your bank statements to show this and they can adjust their figure in your favour.
As for not informing you of why or when you were 'allegedly' overpaid, you should have received a letter from the DWP 'debt management' centre this would clearly outline the exact nature of the overpayment and why it occurred. It also outlines what you should do if you believe the decision is wrong and how you can go about an appeal, this should normaly be done within one month of the date of the letter, this is to stop them from making any deductions or carrying out any enforcement action to recover the overpayment. As you have said you were unaware of any overpayment I would seek some advice from the CAB as you need to escalate this straight to a formal complaint.
The initial letter would have given you the correct information as to what you should do if you think the decision is wrong or you do not agree with it. They will then look at the decision again and if it can be changed they will send you that in a letter if not they will again send you an explanation by letter. If you still disagree with their decision after they have looked at it again then you have the right to appeal to an independant appeals tribunal, but that must be in writing giving your reasons for appeal, ask for their GL24 leaflet 'if you think our decision is wrong' form, you can get one from your local Jobs & Benefits/social security office.
They say that you do not have the right to appeal against a decision to take money from your benefit to pay back, an overpayment, social fund loan, but you can ask that the amount you pay back weekly, or have deducted from your benefits can be reduced if it is causing you hardship.
However, if it is a mistake on their bad admin and inept systems then I have succefully argued that I cannot be held responsible for the DWP failing to act on information I gave them, and that I could not have known that I was receiving more than I should have been. Unless of course it is glaringly obvious, £500 instead of £50!!
The DWP have their own 'debt management Customer Charter' for all the good it does Our responsibilities to you
In delivering our services we will:
set clear standards so that you know what you can expect
communicate clearly and effectively and in plain language
make our services easy to use, particularly for those with specific needs
treat people fairly and with respect
treat what you tell us as confidential
put things right as quickly and efficiently as possible, if they go wrong.
Clearly they are still ignoring the second of their responsibilities
Depending on where you are in the country will depend on which Debt management centre will be looking after your case. Go 'here' to have a look and find the relevant area for yourself.
Don't expect it to be rectified overnight, it took me over six months, threats of legal action and an independant case examiner to investigate 'their' mistake before they finally dropped any notion of me paying them back
I wouldn't argue over the length of time it ahs taken them to realise that a mistake has been made, and an alleged overpayment has accrued.
I would hammer home to them that their ignorance and acting with near impunity will not be tolerated and you wish to make a formal complaint immediately, but do it in writing not over the phone, as the person on the other end really couldn't care less. Plus you will have a paper trail as evidence. The debt centre manager I had was as much use as indicators on a submarine, completely body swerving my direct questions, so expect to have to escalate it to an independant case examiner, and then if you still don't get the right answers to your question you can opt for an appeals tribunal.
All in all, it will probably be autumn before it is ironed out, in the meantime tell them you cannot afford their chosen figure of £9.75 per week, and you propose a lower figure until they re-imburse you for undoubtedly what is their mistake!
We went to the citizens advice and were told that the council don't have to inform us about overpayment I am sure this wrong. When we got home there was a letter from the council asking my husband if he wanted to back date the claim for the period that they claim he was overpaid for so now we are more confussed than ever and last week the council claimed that we were overpaid by £1000.00.
I am never sure about why people go to CAB I don't actually know of anyone who has received good advice from them!
My daughter is a HB Contractor and I have emailed her your case so I am sure when she picks it up in the morning she will come back to me. I do know when she has helped other people that they do have to notify you of how HB is determined and you certainly should have been advised about the overpayment. I also know from another thread that she helped that if they have genuinely overpayed you that you can request them to recover it at a lower rate, I think the figure she mentioned was £3.50 per week. However, I am sure she will give you more help tomorrow.
Yes the Council have to inform you of the overpayment "notify the claimant and any other person affected within 14 days" - it gives you the amount and the period of the overpayment and the right to dispute this overpayment
It could have taken a long time as the pension service do not always inform the Local Authority that Pension credit has stopped - however it is your responsability to inform the local authority of any change in your circumstances.
You can send them all your income and bank statements for the period whilst your husband was working they can reassess your claim for this period - I would also ask the authority to hold any recovery whilst you are in dispute with overpayment.
I would try and arrange an appointment with them, takes time with letters going backwards and forwards. I would take all your paperwork with you and ask them why you weren't notified. If an overpayment has occurred you could ask them to reduce the amount at the same time to something that is affordable. You could also ask them to reassess your claim.