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    Default Private parking charge?

    Hi there, hoping you can help me. I have done a search but I can't seem to find anything that is the same, they often seem to relate to 'penalties' whereas this is a 'charge' and I'm a bit confused by all the acronyms and stuff.

    my daughter parked my car in the visitor's bay of some privately controlled parking near where I live. Naturally one of the owners of the property came out and wrote her a ticket. It says the

    Charge payable is £100
    If parking chargeicon notice is paid within 7 days the fee will be reduced to £50, after this time the full amount is due and payable.
    on the back it says that:

    If payment is not received within 28 days of the parking chargeicon being issued the fee will be passed to our recovery dept who will apply to the DVLA for registered keeper details. As a result of this administration fees will be incurred. If payment is still not received then the debt will be persued through the courts and additional administrative fees and court costs may be incurred
    Now, I know she was silly to park there, but it was only for a couple of hours and she wasn't taking any space up. The other visitors space remained empty. However , I don't understand how they can:
    a) just get my details from the DVLA
    b) make me liable when I wasn't driving.

    Can they really do all this? It's not even an employee who hands out the ticket, but some kid who lives in one of the houses.

    Should I quit moaning and pay (which at the moment I can ill afford) or ignore it?


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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    Virtually anyone can buy an address for £2.50 from the DVLA.

    You just have an unenforceable invoice masquerading as a parking ticketicon. Anybody can hand out invoices. Just ignore the clowns.

    • do not pay
    • do not contact them
    • ignore the 4 or 5 threatening letters they will send you
    • then they will give up and go away


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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    They cant hold you liable, its just hot air. hold your nerve and ignore them and they will go away

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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    Thank you! That is a relief!

    *bookmarks the useful new forum*


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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    It's a percentages game. Lots of people will pay up, no questions asked.

    Expect some threatening letters, but remember they're hollow threats. You won't be going to court and bailiffsicon won't be coming round. Expect some letters from powerless debt collectorsicon though.

    Ignore and they will give up.


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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    Quote Originally Posted by guapagirl View Post
    Hi there, hoping you can help me. I have done a search but I can't seem to find anything that is the same, they often seem to relate to 'penalties' whereas this is a 'charge' and I'm a bit confused by all the acronyms and stuff.

    my daughter parked my car in the visitor's bay of some privately controlled parking near where I live. Naturally one of the owners of the property came out and wrote her a ticket. It says the



    on the back it says that:



    Now, I know she was silly to park there, but it was only for a couple of hours and she wasn't taking any space up. The other visitors space remained empty. However , I don't understand how they can:
    a) just get my details from the DVLA
    b) make me liable when I wasn't driving.

    Can they really do all this? It's not even an employee who hands out the ticket, but some kid who lives in one of the houses.

    Should I quit moaning and pay (which at the moment I can ill afford) or ignore it?
    As the posters above have stated-ignore. What you have is an unenforcable invoice based on dubious contract law.
    The DVLA make over £3 million a year from selling RK details to PPCs/Clampers etc,-many of whom have no licence to do so (although the DVLA dispute this of course!). They can do so under 'reasonable cause' of an offence being committed. You do not have to tell any PPC who the driver is ethier.
    Its all nonsense but be prepared for a few nasty letters however.
    Have a read around this forum to see where im coming from

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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    BTW... is there a link to a list of all the acronyms and stuff used here?


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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    Not sure, but PPC = Private Parking Company and RK = Registered Keeper.


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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    Quote Originally Posted by guapagirl View Post
    BTW... is there a link to a list of all the acronyms and stuff used here?
    I dont think there is specifically, although pop ups have started to appear when certain words are used in posts.
    For your post specifically though-
    DCA= debt collectionicon Agency
    PPC= Private Parking Company
    RK=Registered Keeper

    Cant think of anything else atm
    If you read the threads in the forum though youll pick things up pretty quickly-or just ask!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDWales View Post
    I dont think there is specifically, although pop ups have started to appear when certain words are used in posts.
    For your post specifically though-
    DCA= debt collectionicon Agency
    PPC= Private Parking Company
    RK=Registered Keeper

    Cant think of anything else atm
    If you read the threads in the forum though youll pick things up pretty quickly-or just ask!

    ..and in case DDWales just confused you there;
    atm = at the moment (he didn't mean a cash point I don't think)


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    Quote Originally Posted by crem View Post
    ..and in case DDWales just confused you there;
    atm = at the moment (he didn't mean a cash point I don't think)


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    Thanks for that!





    Quote Originally Posted by crem View Post
    ..and in case DDWales just confused you there;
    atm = at the moment (he didn't mean a cash point I don't think)
    and yes, I'm aware of the various permutations of atm


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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    here's an update:

    got the letters threatening court action and I now have a letter from CCScollect debt collectorsicon giving 72 hours notice of a home visit, the purpose of which is to obtain payment or investigate my home situation prior to recommending court action.

    What happens when they knock on my door?


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    they won't its a mail [problem]. but as CCS Collect are CSA registered you should send a copy of that letter to the CSA with a very firm compliant. it is against the rules to 'turn up at the door' and to threaten it. If you live around the corner from their office and some does turn up. You get their ID, take a photo pf them and their vehicle and then tell them to leave. they have no powers at all. make that complaint to the CSA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lamma View Post
    they won't its a mail [problem]. but as CCS Collect are CSA registered you should send a copy of that letter to the CSA with a very firm compliant. it is against the rules to 'turn up at the door' and to threaten it. If you live around the corner from their office and some does turn up. You get their ID, take a photo pf them and their vehicle and then tell them to leave. they have no powers at all. make that complaint to the CSA.
    Hi lamma,

    thanks for that. I'm hoping they don't turn up as I'll be away and the other half will probably just freak and pay them! Luckily we live in the sticks so not near their offices as well.

    If I send off a copy and a complaint to the CSA, will that stop them contacting me and also where will I find a template letter for the complaint?

    This is making me feel like an aging rebel!


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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    templates are useless. just use your own words after reading up about the code on the CSA website.


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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    Chances of them turning up are miniscule.


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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    Quote Originally Posted by lamma View Post
    templates are useless. just use your own words after reading up about the code on the CSA website.
    OK, will do!

    Quote Originally Posted by Al27 View Post
    Chances of them turning up are miniscule.

    Good! though they probably wouldn't find it anyway!

    thanks guys!


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    Default Re: Private parking charge?

    Quote Originally Posted by lamma View Post
    they won't its a mail [problem]. but as CCS Collect are CSA registered you should send a copy of that letter to the CSA with a very firm compliant. it is against the rules to 'turn up at the door' and to threaten it. If you live around the corner from their office and some does turn up. You get their ID, take a photo pf them and their vehicle and then tell them to leave. they have no powers at all. make that complaint to the CSA.

    I just checked the CSA website and it doesn't actually say they aren't allowed to just turn up...


    D)Be circumspect and discreet when attempting to contact the debtor by telephone, SMS, email or by personal visit, with due regard to the Data Protection Act and OFT Guidance.
    I do think that the letter saying the purpose is to:

    "investigate your home situation prior to recommending court action" may conflict with this bit:

    J)Not falsely imply by written or verbal means that
    criminal proceedings will be brought, nor that civil action has or will be instituted where members are unable to do so due to legal restrictions.

    Thoughts?


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    Thats CSA guidelines, which refer you to the OFT!

    NOW they are the guidelines to follow!

    As all the other advise, they are preying on you not knowing your rights.

    They will go away.

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    Lloyds TSB PPI : FOS found in my favour, awaiting settlement figure.

    Capital ONE : Issued Court papers, refund of £635.38

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    : Refund of charges £456.16

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