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    Default No CCA from Barclaycard

    I have spent a lot of time reading through the posts and am very confused on where to go from here.

    Me and my partner have a barclaycard each, we have both had these cards for about 8-10 years. Finances are tight now and I have sent of a CCA request, taken from this site, on both of them. Nothing was received in the 14 day period given so I sent the account in dispute letter, again from this site. Still not received anything and from reading the posts this is not unusual.

    I would like to know what to do next. I can't afford the next payment due in two weeks but we have just had a baby and I am not sure if I can deal with the stress of the constant phone callsicon and letters. Any advise would be very much appreciated. My ideal outcome would to have the dept written off but I am a realist and just the [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']opportunity [/FONT]to dictate to barclaycard how much I want to pay would be a good outcome.

    As an aside I have read about barclaycard and missold PPIicon which I have on my card. What is the situation with this.

    Thanks in advance


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    Default Re: No CCA from Barclaycard

    Hi, jamcol.

    You could try sending this, which includes a phonecall harassment bit.


    ACCOUNT IN DISPUTE

    Dear Sirs,

    Account no xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Re: my request under the Consumer Credit Act 1974

    Thank you for your recent letter sent to me, the contents of which are noted. I appreciate your quick response to my original letter. However, the reply received by me does not fulfil your requirements under the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

    The Act demands that I be supplied with a true copy of any properly executed credit agreement that exists in relation to the above account. I may ask for this on demand providing that a fee of £1.00 is paid. This fee was sent with my original letter.

    My request remains outstanding. The absence of any relevant paperwork confirms that I am not liable for any debt to you, nor gives me any chance to evaluate whether any original agreement was ‘properly executed’.

    I still require you to send me a true copy of the original credit agreement that you allege exists. As you will know, under the Consumer Credit Act 1974, a judge is not permitted to make any enforcement order unless the creditor can provide a true signed copy of the original credit agreement. This means that unless you can produce such an agreement, this alleged debt is not enforceable in law.

    You had until xx/xx.2008 to provide me with the true copy I requested. You are now in default of my request. Any account I hold with you is now in legal dispute. Whilst the account remains in dispute, you are not permitted to ask for any payment, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you. Furthermore, whilst the dispute remains, you are not entitled to charge any interesticon on the account, nor make any further charges to the account. Additionally, you are not entitled to register any information on this account with any credit reference agency.

    To register information with a credit reference agency, you must have written consent from the customer to collate and share such information. This consent is given in the form of a signed credit agreement, so until you produce such an agreement, you may not do this.

    The requirement for consent to share data is a clear requirement of the Data Protection Act 1998. any such attempts to share my data without my consent will be met with a complaint to the Information Commissioners Office

    The time limits, which are laid down in the Consumer Credit (Prescribed Periods for Giving Information) Regulations 1983 are clear. You must supply an executed credit agreement within 12 + 2 working days of a proper CCA request. If you fail to comply with a legitimate request the account enters a default situation. If you continue to harrass me without complying with my original request your conduct will be reported to the Office of Fair Trading, the Financial Ombudsmanicon and Trading Standards. Any investigation undertaken by them may affect your ability to offer credit in the future.

    To sum up, I will not be making any further payments to you until you provide me with the document I have requested. Whilst you remain in default of my request, you are not permitted to take any action against this account. This includes adding further charges and passing any information to the credit reference agencies.

    Should you not have any signed credit agreement in relation to this alleged debt, please confirm this in writing to me.

    Also please note I am of the view that your continued harassment of me by telephone puts you in breach of CPUTR 2008 and also in breach of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997.

    If you continue to harass me by telephone, you will also be in breach of the Communications Act (2003) s.127 and I will report you to OFCOM, Trading Standards and The Office of Fair Trading, meaning that you will be liable to a substantial fine.

    Be advised that any further telephone callsicon from your company will be recorded.

    I look forward to your reply.

    Yours faithfully


    **Edit to suit** send recorded and don't signicon it.

    Regarding the PPIicon, start a new thread in the Forum 'linked' below........

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    Hi Jamcol,

    It's not clear from your post if they've already started phoning you chasing payments. If not, amend or omit this section.

    If they haven't replied to you, this letter may be more appropriate but, again, edit it to suit - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...ml#post1805429

    You should be aware that BC will NOT provide the Agreement in response to your CCA request - they'll only supply a set of T&C's.

    Have a read of Link No2 in my signatureicon below about using the CPR route instead. As you're new to the site, you may find it a bit hard-going with the terminology, but it is worth reading now anyway.

    Then you'll be better prepared for your next moves.

    Also, read other threads here in the BC forum so you get to see what is happening in loads of similar cases.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
    Link 4. OFT Guide re s.78 CCA1974 Requests - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/OFT1272.pdf

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    Default Re: No CCA from Barclaycard

    Thank you both for your response.

    Just to clarify I have not yet had any phone callsicon as I have not stopped paying yet.

    I will go for a dual approach with the letter about no response and the CPR route in the hope I get a response.

    I will leave the PPIicon for now as this may complicate things, I am not looking to get any money back just to make it a but more managable.

    Thanks again.


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    Default Re: No CCA from Barclaycard

    I am about to send of the account in dispute letter to Barclaycard. If I can pay the account this month will this weaken my position if it ever did get to court?

    Thanks again for any advice.


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    Hi Jamcol,

    It really won't make a blind bit of difference.

    One thing is for sure though - if you stop paying what you should each mnth, Mercers will start hassling you by letter and phone.

    However, they are really quite harmless - rather like a tenacious dog, but with no teeth.

    Re the PPIicon, start a thread for this in the PPI forum. This issue may well be resolved separately from the issue of debt enforceability.

    Have there been any penalty charges on the a/c?

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
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    Default Re: No CCA from Barclaycard

    I have now received the standard terms and conditionsicon at the time I took the card out (2000) and a copy of the terms and conditionsicon now but nothing else. They advised that this is what is required under the consumer credit act. Is this correct?

    I am also in the process of requesting the information under the Civil Procedures Rules, the second letter will be going off next week. Is it worth doing a Subject access requesticon also?

    Thanks again.

    James


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    Hi Jamcol,

    Continue with the CPR route.

    Have you suffered penalty charges on the a/c. If so, you should set about reclaiming them as per Link No1 in my signatureicon.

    Send a SARicon if you don't have all the nec'y statements for the last 6 yearsicon. If you do this, it puts a further obligation on BC to provide your credit agreement under the DPA reg'ns. Not that BC will give a hoot !

    But, when they fal to provide the agreement, you can complain to the Info Commissioners Office - hence another angle of attack.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
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    Default Re: No CCA from Barclaycard

    I have now sent of the second CPR letter along with a non-compliance letter on the CCA request and a Subject access requesticon. Hopefully they will see that I can't be fobbed off.

    I am know receiving numerous telephone callsicon to my home and mobile every day. What is the best way to deal with these? Should I just ignore them or answer them and tell them the account is in disputeicon? Will it make any difference?

    Regards

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    Hi Jamcol,

    The SARicon should have been sent as a separate letter with the £10 fee to avoid confusing them and giving them the opportunity to overlook individual aspects of your case. But don't worry if it's already gone off.

    See here re the phone callsicon - The Consumer Forums - Harassment

    When they call, refuse to answer their security Q's, tell them you'll only communicate in writing and say goodbye !

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
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    Default Re: No CCA from Barclaycard

    I have now had a response from BC on the CCA request, this seems to be a standard letter but not sure how to upload this. Still nothing on the Civil Procedures request or the Subject access requesticon.

    Is the 40 days for the SARicon working days or calander days?


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    Hi,

    You could try using Photobucket.............

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    The 40 days are Calander days.

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    Hi Jamcol,

    I wouldn't bother posting it up - it's probably the same as this - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...ml#post2199025

    This is currently BC's fave letter. Proceed with your case following your own timescale.



    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
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    Default Re: No CCA from Barclaycard

    Thanks Maroondevo and Slick. Yes my letter is the same so I wont bother putting it up.

    The 40 calander days for the SARicon expires tomorrow. If nothing turns up what do I do? Should I write again?

    The 21 days on the second CPR has also expired so I will need to consider the court application for this.

    Thanks again

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    Hi JC,

    When the 40 days are up for the SARicon, send them a reminder. Use letter 18 from here - The Consumer Forums - Bank charges templates (consumer)

    It's up to you whether you steam in with the CPR court Application. You may want to wait and see how the smt37 case pans out first - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...t-success.html

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
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    Default Re: No CCA from Barclaycard

    I have now received the information from the SARicon.

    I have read on various threads that barclaycard need to keep records for 6 yearsicon. The copy statments I got only go back to May 2004. The card was opened in 2001 so they should at least provide info back to 2003. Is this correct? I seem to have the standard covering letter everyone else gets stating 'This information we have enclosed relating to this account is all that we hold'.

    Hope someone can help.


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    If they've failed to supply 6 yearsicon' of statement complain to the Information Commissioners Office.

    Complain to BC as well and tell them what action you're taking - it may propmpt them to have another look and save you some time waiting for ICO intervention.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
    Link 3. Interest Tutorial - http://www.consumerwiki.co.uk/index....erest_Tutorial
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    Default Re: No CCA from Barclaycard

    On a seperate matter I have recently received my agreement and copies of statements on a loan.

    I took out the loan in 2002 and have been paying PPIicon since it started. Prior to October 2008 it states on the copy statements next to PPI N/A. I have an original statement for 2006 that shows me paying PPI but in the copy statement received today it still says N/A. Does this mean they have gone through and changed all my statements up to October 2008 to prevent me claiming mis-sold PPI? What should I do about this? Is this providing false information.

    Thanks for any advise.


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    If you have any evidence which shows that they are providing inaccurate or false info, you should complain to the ICO.

    Check the statements carefully first, then complian to ICO sending copies of the relevant doc'ts.

    If you're sure about this, write to the relevant bank confirming what you are doing and ask if they'd likme to consider a full refund of all PPIicon and interesticon at the banks Contactual rate.

    Link 1. OFT Debt Coll'n Guide - http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf
    Link 2. Checking your credit Agreement - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...greements.html
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    I have also received the agreement below on the same account. It is not very readable but I would be grateful if someone can have a look and let me know what they think.

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