Patricia Pearl - Small Claims Procedure - A Practical Guide


An excellent guide for the layperson in how to use the County Court - a must if you are intending to start a claim.

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Last Will and Testament Kit


Make a legally valid will without the fuss and expense of a solicitor - includes a full step-by-step guide.

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BAILIFFS - The Law and Your Rights

Written by John Kruse, one of the leading experts on Bailiff Law, this consumer friendly guide is essential reading for anyone who comes into contact with a bailiff.

The book is easy to understand and clearly explains the rights a bailiff has, and also what they cannot do when collecting debts and repossessing goods etc.

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    Default Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    Here's an interesting one (hope I'm postng in the right place)

    - I have a number of domains registered with a domain name registrar.

    - Their domain maintenance system is buggy and frustrating.

    - I wish to migrate my domains to a different registrar

    - Most domain registrars let you move your domain elsewhere for free (after all it's YOUR domain and you've already paid for it - right?)

    - This registrar wants to charge me £15 + vat per domain for a password so I can transfer my domains elsewhere.

    - They call this an 'administration fee' and their website states

    "Please note that all domain transfers away incur an administration fee of £15 +VAT to cancel your account."


    - I find it very unlikely that it costs them £15 to cancel my account and I feel the charges are punitive in nature in response to them losing my business.

    Anything I can do?

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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    Seeing as they have warned you when you signed up and you have read and understood, the amount is irrelevent. There is a charge and you were aware so I see no way out.


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    Your only option on this may be a little risky.

    Wait for the domain to expire and reregister it through another provider

    You risk losing the domain but as long as you keep a close eye on the expiration dates and are swift you should be able to do so.


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    Quote Originally Posted by prelude2a View Post
    - Most domain registrars let you move your domain elsewhere for free (after all it's YOUR domain and you've already paid for it - right?)
    Are you confusing the registrar with the authoritative nameserver(s)? They're often the same, but they don't have to be. If your current company have crap DNS servers, you should be able to transfer DNS authority for domains to another hosting company. That'd let you use the other hosting company's control panel to manage your DNS. This should be free, and should be do-able from your current company's control panel. It's not the same as changing registrar


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conniff View Post
    Seeing as they have warned you when you signed up and you have read and understood, the amount is irrelevent. There is a charge and you were aware so I see no way out.
    The charge didn't exist when I first started using the company. They added it later...




    Quote Originally Posted by WebMaster View Post
    Are you confusing the registrar with the authoritative nameserver(s)? They're often the same, but they don't have to be. If your current company have crap DNS servers, you should be able to transfer DNS authority for domains to another hosting company. That'd let you use the other hosting company's control panel to manage your DNS. This should be free, and should be do-able from your current company's control panel. It's not the same as changing registrar
    Hmmmm, true, but do you know of anyone who will let you use their DNS servers for free without having either paid them for hosting, or without using them as registrar?


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    Quote Originally Posted by prelude2a View Post
    Hmmmm, true, but do you know of anyone who will let you use their DNS servers for free without having either paid them for hosting, or without using them as registrar?
    No, although there may be some (although they probably wouldn't be very good). What about your existing hosting company? (if it's not the registrar). Or what about somewhere like mydyndns. I'm sure they'd be cheaper than all those 15 quid transfer fees


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    As for hosting DNS even if they aren't the registrar, as far as I know lots of companies do that. In my case I buy my domains from Easily, then change the nameservers to 1and1's, and use 1and1's control panel (I have a machine with them obviously) to control my DNS


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    Just thinking about it, lots of comapnies in all sorts or roles will pay the fee if you sign up with them, so go ask the one your thinking of signing up with if they will pay your fee if you sign up with them.

    Just a thought.


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    Hmmm, thanks for all the input guys. Haven't decided what I'm gonna do yet. Will keep you posted.


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    Nominet will do the transfer themselves (if .co.uk domains) for £10.


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    What TLDs are you dealing with and who is your current registrar?


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    they are all .co.uk and the registrar is easyspace


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    They have got to be some of the worst T&Cs going.
    And reading around the net it would seem you are not alone.

    I certainly would not use them and would advise anyone considering it to think hard and read the T&Cs thoroughly first.

    Seems the transfer fees went from zero, to £49.99+vat, to £15+vat.

    This external thread Another EasySpace problem - Web Hosting Talk - The largest, most influential web hosting community on the Internet makes interesting reading.

    Things to consider are that the domains are you property and upon completion of term of your paid service Easyspace are effectively holding you to ransom / locking you in.
    The charge is excessive. Nominet only charge £10 for performing this on your behalf and that includes them corresponding with Easyspace.
    Many other companies do not charge at all. After all, its only a case of changing the IPSTAG in Nominets database, which you still do yourself on Easyspace once they 'give' you access.

    The T&Cs attempt to limit your recourse in law. Section 3.33.1 prejudices you to Scottish law. However, as I understand it, English law would precedent in respect of a UCTA and/or UTCCR claim, regardless of their Registered Address being in Glasgow.

    When the T&Cs changed, were you notified?
    It could be a get out. I could not find a reference but I am sure under consumer law they have to write to you and notify such changes, especially where charges are concerned. i.e. Their statement in the preamble that 'you' must keep up to date with T&Cs that 'they' can change them at any time is unfair. Are they expecting you to read through the entire T&Cs daily to see if they have changed.
    Section 3.13 alludes to a 30 day notification by eMail, but this is clearly in contra to the preamble.
    This represents another failure under UCTA in that the contract is not clear and/or written in Plain English.

    I think you need some advice of those on here that have a good grasp of UCTA & UTCCR, to take this further. And a chat with the OFT and CAB.


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    They have to justify there charge.

    It may constitute as a penalty as the aplication is no doubt done via computer.

    Why not use the Bank claim procedures?


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    Default Re: Punitive Domain Transfer Fees?

    If your looking for a decent company to host domains with I use heartinternet.co.uk and have never had a problem. I dont have webspace with them, only parked domains so I cant comment on webspace.

    Just thought id mention it.



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