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you may have seen my previous post re: recent pcn received for parking in a "goods vehicle loading only" bay.
many of you have been kind enough to suggest that my car (BMW Mini) is a PLG
as the sign did not say "commercial 'good vehicle loading only'", I should be able to argue that a Mini is 'Private Lights Goods Vehicle" and therefore falls within the definition.
I have my PATAS case tomorrow morning.
could anyone point me in the right direction for any cases that i could cite to the adjudicator?
the problem i have is that on the V5 it is just a "private car"
i called the DVLA today, and they said for cars since 2001, they scrapped the PLG status and now just clasify them by CO2 emission.
any help please, i have to find evidence before 9.30 on sat.
Look for 'TC11' on your V5C, that means 'Private/Light Goods'.
It also says 'PLG' on your tax disc - photocopy that.
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Look for 'TC11' on your V5C, that means 'Private/Light Goods'.
It also says 'PLG' on your tax disc - photocopy that.
hi there.
thanks for the reply
i had a look at the V5C and I cant see TC11 on it
It has
RC32, 02, P, M1 under vehicle category etc but I cant see TC11 anywhere
where would it be on the form? as i am being stupid!
also, on the tax disc it doesnt say PLG
the DVLA said they abolished PLG on cars after 2001/04 as they would clarsify by Co2 emission
I just looked at my tax disc (expires 06/09) and that has PLG on it.
Bought online.
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Taxation class has nothing to do with it PLG covers private AND light goods vehicles below a certain weight. A road legal F1 car would be taxed as a PLG or its equivalent despite having no goods carrying capability. A 'goods vehicle' is a vehicle built or adapted to carry goods regardless of its taxation class, a motorcycle could be a goods vehicle if adapted to carry goods yet its not taxed as a 'goods vehicle.
It may also depend on the what regulations the definition of a goods vehicle was made in respect of the bay, and if a BMW Mini falls into that definition.
For example, section 192 RTA 1988 defines a goods vehicle as 'a motor vehicle constructed or adapted for the use of the carriage of goods, or a trailer so constructed or adapted'
The term 'PLG' was discontinued when VED was changed to emission levels, but cars that were 'PLG' before then can still be 'PLG'.
If your the BMW Mini is later than 2001, the taxation class will be either 'Petrol Car' or 'Diesel Car' depending on the fuel, not 'PLG'.
I just looked at my tax disc (expires 06/09) and that has PLG on it.
Bought online.
Hi Conniff
Thats what I thought but I just checked and mine just says "PC" (probably private car). I bought mine online too, so no idea why it could be different!
Your car is post 2001, so the taxation class is 'Petrol Car', the duty payable is variable depending on it's emissions. Pre 2001 vehicles have a fixed rate of duty and their taxation class is 'PLG'.
Your car is post 2001, so the taxation class is 'Petrol Car', the duty payable is variable depending on it's emissions. Pre 2001 vehicles have a fixed rate of duty and their taxation class is 'PLG'.
thanks for the clarification raykay.
do you know if there is a way to prove the car is still a PLG in old money?
You cannot 'prove' your car is a PLG, it was just a taxation class for excise licence purposes, which was changed in 2001.
You need to find what the TRO for the area defines as a 'Goods Vehicle', if it uses the s192 RTA 1988 definition, it won't include a BMW Mini Saloon, if it is a BMW Mini Estate - that is a 'Dual Purpose Vehicle' (a vehicle constructed or adapted for the the use of the carriage of goods and or passengers)
If it is a Mini Estate you need to check the TRO because some councils use the RTA definition but add an exclusion for Dual Purpose vehicles.
If they use taxation class as the definition, yours is a 'Petrol Car', not 'Goods'
You cannot 'prove' your car is a PLG, it was just a taxation class for excise licence purposes, which was changed in 2001.
You need to find what the TRO for the area defines as a 'Goods Vehicle', if it uses the s192 RTA 1988 definition, it won't include a BMW Mini Saloon, if it is a BMW Mini Estate - that is a 'Dual Purpose Vehicle' (a vehicle constructed or adapted for the the use of the carriage of goods and or passengers)
If it is a Mini Estate you need to check the TRO because some councils use the RTA definition but add an exclusion for Dual Purpose vehicles.
If they use taxation class as the definition, yours is a 'Petrol Car', not 'Goods'
thank you ray kay for the information.
good to know for the future!!
Any details of what this technicality was?
Or did the LA just use that excuse as a getout to withdraw it at the last minute, sooner than having another loosing statistic against them at PATAS?
Just to be pedantic, there can be no such thing as a road-legal F1 car. The work/additions necessary to make it road-legal would also cause it to cease the qualify as F1
How can I prove my BMW Mini is a PLG?
received for parking in a "goods vehicle loading only" bay.
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