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Hi,
I have just received 3 pcn's in two days issued by Westminster,via a smart car cctv.(more like sneak car)
The Pcn's have the location name correct, but the postcode is wrong.
i.e. Davies Street (E1), and Hill Street (E1).
Both streets are in W1, I think that E1 is Tower Hamlets.
Can anyone tell me if this is invalid, or will they just try to re-issue the PCN if I notify them of this.
3 in two days, but it won't stop me selling the lucky charms !
I'd like to know whether operators of the CCTV cameras in these parking enforcement Smart cars are CRB checked. I have had a camera pointed directly at me and I have had similar reports and, more worryingly, of cameras being pointed into houses. Whilst I find it abhorrent that our society has become so Orwellian that video cameras with high powered zoom lenses are now able to pry into private property, I at least expect some protection over who does it and what they can do with the footage. What guarantee do we have that such equipment cannot be used to record our intimate moments or naked children? Given that I have seen plenty of CCTV footage on YouTube, what safeguards exist to ensure that such recordings cannot be circulated, e.g. to paedophile groups? Does anyone know?
I'd like to know whether operators of the CCTV cameras in these parking enforcement Smart cars are CRB checked. I have had a camera pointed directly at me and I have had similar reports and, more worryingly, of cameras being pointed into houses. Whilst I find it abhorrent that our society has become so Orwellian that video cameras with high powered zoom lenses are now able to pry into private property, I at least expect some protection over who does it and what they can do with the footage. What guarantee do we have that such equipment cannot be used to record our intimate moments or naked children? Given that I have seen plenty of CCTV footage on YouTube, what safeguards exist to ensure that such recordings cannot be circulated, e.g. to paedophile groups? Does anyone know?
Your anti-motocycle parking charges campaign must be on the back foot if you need to resort to hijacking 2 year old threads to express your concerns that WCC cctv operators are paedophiles, lol!!
Not at all, I am widening my scope. Personally, I object to cameras that can infringe personal privacy in this Orwellian way. Paedos are the extreme but a couple of bored full-blooded males with such technology...well, the devil finds work for idle hands.
Should I have started a new thread, rather than resurrecting this one?
If it's out in the street, then it's fair game. I take lots of urban photographs, and the reaction from pedestrians is just incredible. Ranging from I'll call the police to I want the film from your camera. Neither of which they are entitled to.
Not at all, I am widening my scope. Personally, I object to cameras that can infringe personal privacy in this Orwellian way. Paedos are the extreme but a couple of bored full-blooded males with such technology...well, the devil finds work for idle hands.
Should I have started a new thread, rather than resurrecting this one?
I think before you apply for the job there are a few flaws in your plan!
a) The car cannot be driven with the periscope up, so how would they find a house at random to park outside that someone just happened to be naked in with the curtains open?
b) The film is reveiwed by other staff who may have something to say if the inside of a bedroom is on the tape.
c) If someone wanted to do something illegal such as spying on naked children don't you think buying a camera would be more likely to succeed than parking up in a marked WCC smart car with a 5m high mast on the top?
d) Not every 'full blooded male' has the need to spy on men/women/kids to get their rocks off so you need to find someone that has the same warped thoughts as you.
a) They have a 360 degree view and can zoom in from a very long way
b) How come there's so much 'intimate' footage around from other CCTV floating around the net?
c) I'm not suggesting that they would but I'd like to know that people who have the potential to invade my privacy are not crims casing the joint or whatever.
d) True, not every male but given that 12% of web sites are allegedly porn, I hardly see getting ones rocks off by watching others at it is a minority interest. Anyway lots of interesting stats here, but not sure of their accuracy: https://wsr.byu.edu/content/national...phy-statistics
I'm just against the public being milked in every way they can be. TfL are even charging people to walk! £1 to use a shortcut at a station. WTF!!
a) They have a 360 degree view and can zoom in from a very long way
how many people do you know that actually walk around their house naked in full view of the street, especially in central London?
b) How come there's so much 'intimate' footage around from other CCTV floating around the net?
where is there any LA cctv footage showing 'intimate' subjects?
c) I'm not suggesting that they would but I'd like to know that people who have the potential to invade my privacy are not crims casing the joint or whatever.
what advatage does working for WCC have in casing your house out that just parking outside would have?
d) True, not every male but given that 12% of web sites are allegedly porn, I hardly see getting ones rocks off by watching others at it is a minority interest. Anyway lots of interesting stats here, but not sure of their accuracy: https://wsr.byu.edu/content/national...phy-statistics
why would driving a WCC cctv car be any different to any other cctv operator in any Council, store, station, airport etc. Your argument is as stupid as suggesting all teachers are paedophiles so they can be near kids or people train as doctors to see women naked. Maybe they should CRB check everyone that works with animals incase they are into that kind of thing. I know someone who had a foot fetish should shoe shop workers be CRB checked?
I'm just against the public being milked in every way they can be. TfL are even charging people to walk! £1 to use a shortcut at a station. WTF!!
You obviously have no idea how CCTV works and the controls in place or how CRB checks work either, if you did you would not have asked such a stupid question.
Oddly, Southwark seem very reluctant to divulge whether their operatives have CRB checks. No reply from Apcoa either. They have been quick enough to answer other questions. Funny, eh?
Anyway, M&G if you are happy to live in Orwell's nightmare and get screwed at every turn, be my guest. I shall resist it as long as there is breath in my body.
Oddly, Southwark seem very reluctant to divulge whether their operatives have CRB checks. No reply from Apcoa either. They have been quick enough to answer other questions. Funny, eh?
Anyway, M&G if you are happy to live in Orwell's nightmare and get screwed at every turn, be my guest. I shall resist it as long as there is breath in my body.
CRB checks!! Very handy because of course all criminals have criminal records. Do you check tradesmen are CRB checked before allowing them in your house, where does checking on people stop? You moan about big brother yet want everyone vetted before they get a job.....how does that work? Why would a criminal want to be a CEO, what are they going to steal parking tickets?
M&G, perhaps you would be so good as to explain how CCTV works for a simple soul like me since you are clearly an expert in all matters. What is so unusual about the CBC C-Allview CCTV camera with a pan/tilt and 36x optical zoom that makes it incapable of performing as any other similar camera might? Does it have the same 1/4" sensor and 40m IR range (0.7 lux colour, 0.07 lux mono @ F1.4) as the C-AIRDNX18YPT? If so, that would make it rather good for peering into dark interiors, no? I ask as it doesn't seem to have the same IR unit above the lens as the ones I've seen on the Smart cars.
Personally, I'm not a great fan of the obsession with CRB checks. However, one has to play the rule makers at their own game.
Don't worry technology and the political will to hammer cyclists in the same way isn't far off (Google RDLI if you doubt me). All these things are just a question of waiting for the right technology and sod all to do with how green you might be. They call it 'demand management' now ;-) The next demand to be managed is cycle parking as other means of revenue...erh, transport get priced off the roads.
It's no coincidence that the retraction of free m/c parking came with Pay by Phone.
These cameras are nothing special. I bought one on ebay for £80. The only have a 12 degree field of view. the operator needs to rotate it to see the remaining 348 degrees - nothing like thew Google Streetviews which DO have a 360 FOV. Similarly, at 0.7 lux, the cannot 'see in the dark' and would require additional IR (infrared) illuminators to shine on the subject matter.
M&G, perhaps you would be so good as to explain how CCTV works for a simple soul like me since you are clearly an expert in all matters. What is so unusual about the CBC C-Allview CCTV camera with a pan/tilt and 36x optical zoom that makes it incapable of performing as any other similar camera might? Does it have the same 1/4" sensor and 40m IR range (0.7 lux colour, 0.07 lux mono @ F1.4) as the C-AIRDNX18YPT? If so, that would make it rather good for peering into dark interiors, no? I ask as it doesn't seem to have the same IR unit above the lens as the ones I've seen on the Smart cars.
Personally, I'm not a great fan of the obsession with CRB checks. However, one has to play the rule makers at their own game.
Don't worry technology and the political will to hammer cyclists in the same way isn't far off (Google RDLI if you doubt me). All these things are just a question of waiting for the right technology and sod all to do with how green you might be. They call it 'demand management' now ;-) The next demand to be managed is cycle parking as other means of revenue...erh, transport get priced off the roads.
It's no coincidence that the retraction of free m/c parking came with Pay by Phone.
I'm no expert on cameras I never said I was but most cctv is recorded onto a hard drive so the operator would have to carry around the equipment to copy the data for personal use. He would also have to delete the 'offending' bits making any enforcement done that day as unenforceable as the film would be edited. He would also have to explain why he was filming in unauthorised locations and had huge gaps in his enforcement duties. You only have to look at the evidence supplied with PCNs to see that cctv is very ineffective at night in unlit areas. You can carry on through life reading the Daily Mail and thinking everyone is a pervert but its not actually true.
You can waffle on all you like about Cycle legislation but it will never happen. There are tens of millions of bikes all of which are unregistered, I have 5 myself and no payment system can be introduced without registration. Even if the govt spent billions introducing bike registration how would you tell if a bike was foreign or not? Children ride bikes how would you determin who owned the bike or would you start making 8 year olds liable for non payment? If you really think with the govt as short of cash as it is its going to spend billions registering cycles and licensing cycle riders you are obviously derranged.
Nothing to do with P&D tickets not working on bikes then??
Exactly! P&D didn't work so they needed Pay by Phone to make it possible. Just as Pay by Phone won't work with bicycles, RDLI will, so expect it to be used. You will see that various anti-theft initiatives are fitting them free. Wondering why you are getting an apparently free lunch? Think again! ;-) Honestly, this isn't about winning arguments. You really should start doing some research and see what is happening, e.g. clamping of 'fly-parked' bicycles in the US, using RDLI to monitor the passing of cycles in/out of a boundary (perfect for red lights and pavements), talk of 'managing demnad' for cycle parking in UK council documents.
I hope you are correct that data on the mirrored RAID 1 disks on these cars cannot be interfered with or downloaded onto, say, an USB stick. I guess they wouldn't have to account for breaks like lunch? I could imagine a culture existing where collecting footage of couples caught in the act could become a competitive sport and so-called safeguards are flouted. It's not like you can trust CEO's to give fair and legal tickets? You only have to look at the success of appeal rates to see that.
As for 'perverts', all I can offer is the public statistics, right or wrong. If you have more reliable data, I'd be fascinated. I certainly don't have a closed mind. It also depends upon how one defines 'pervert'. I am quite sure many people would regard me as one. OTH, I am no risk as all mine is entirely consensual, unlike many who don't express themselves and are a seething mass of unfulfilled desire about to explode.
I could imagine a culture existing where collecting footage of couples caught in the act could become a competitive sport and so-called safeguards are flouted.
Its strange how you keep coming up with these scenarios maybe its you that has the 'problem'?
Its strange how you keep coming up with these scenarios maybe its you that has the 'problem'?
I am really touched by your concern. However, I am a little concerned by the way you seem to be stalking me on this forum and keep trying to get my attention. Is it true love or are you just very, very bored? :grin:
I am really touched by your concern. However, I am a little concerned by the way you seem to be stalking me on this forum and keep trying to get my attention. Is it true love or are you just very, very bored? :grin:
Are you trying to destroy any semblance of credibility you may like to have with a comment like that, or you you have some data to substantiate your allegation?
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