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Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket
Hello Everyone,
i parked in a privately managed car park in the centre of exeter (managed by PPS). i paid for 4 hours parking and returned in time to find a ticket for £100 - stating that i had the 'ticket upside down'. The wind must have blown it as i was removing the buggy and the children. i am absolutely livid, as there were other vehicles with no tickets displayed. does anyone have any specific advice as to how i can successfully appeal. do i have grounds for an appeal? i am never going to pay them.
please help.
thanks
Nick
Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket
There is no 'appeal' nesheehan, that is just a [problem] as is the ticket.
If you told them 'Bin Laden' had shot your children and held a gun to your head and forced you to put the
ticket upside down and is was all captured on video, it would still come back "appeal rejected".
Whatever you do, DON'T pay this con.
This is contractual and you can bet your life the signs that were at the entrance did not say "£100 fine if ticket is upside down".
Have a read through any of the other threads and you will see the way to go.
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Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket
I have read this and I am appauled at the issue of a parking charge for this reason and fail to see how it could be enforced.
I would report the company to bpa.
I strongly beleive and know that the courts uphold charges given if they have been given correctly, in this case no company would be silly enough to commence action and no court would ever see it is a valid charge.
I accept it is tickets like this that put the whole industry in a bad light.
Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket
I don't think there is any point in writing to the bpa as it is the parking companies that are the bpa.
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Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket
Thanks for those replies. if I ignore all correspondance with them, then i will eventually get passed onto a debt collection agency. what then? is it a case of ignore everything and it will go away eventually or will i need to fight my corner?
thanks
Nick
Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket
Just to put some interpretation on words for you nesheehan.
This is not a 'fine', only courts can issue 'fines'.
This is a contract made by the signs exhibited and 'a driver' agreeing to that contract by continuing into the park and using the facilities.
With a contract, you have done nothing wrong until you breach that contract, and you cannot breach a contract if the wording is not embedded into it.
A demand for money for a breach in a contract can only be for an amount of loss.
As you paid for a ticket, they have lost nothing. Because the ticket was upside down it cannot be classed as a loss, therefore there is 'no' breach of the contract.
That is why these things never go to court, they have to show 'loss' and there is no loss. Also the owner of the car (to which the letter and demand is sent), has made no contract, only the driver, and the parking company do not know the driver nor can they ask you to identify the driver.
They bank on some not paying and othes not knowing their rights so just sending off the demanded sum. The law of average says they will get more to pay because they do not know their rights so making a tidy sum for themselves.
You certainly have no contract with any debt collecting agency, these are agents of the parking company.
If these things ever go to court, they are only won in cases where the car driver dosn't show up in court to defend it and the parking company get a result by default
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Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket
Originally Posted by nesheehan
if I ignore all correspondance with them, then i will eventually get passed onto a debt collection agency. what then?
Ignore that too - or if you prefer (but then you are letting them know you exist!) - tell them that the debt is in dispute and they are to refer the matter back to the PPC.
Remember debt collectors are nothing more than you or I asking for some money - they have no powers (quite often the debt collector is in fact the PPC with a different name on top of the letter they send you - lol).
Only bailiffs have powers (appointed by the court) and that's only once you have lost in court (if you loose & don't pay up following a court order) - if it ever goes that far - which I very very very much doubt.
Go and enjoy yourself and stop this unbelivable reason for issuing you a ticket do anything more than make you laugh as it does me!
Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket
Originally Posted by Conniff
That is why these things never go to court, they have to show 'loss' and there is no loss.
If these things ever go to court, they are only won in cases where the car driver dosn't show up in court to defend it and the parking company get a result by default
Coniff, you should know better than give totally inaccurate advice.
Cases do go to court and defended ones do lose, have you forgotten Thomas already ?
I agree that this one had zero chance of going to court and zero chances of winning if the unthinkable did happen.
Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket
Sorry es, amend to read:
Only one in a million tickets go to court with enough evidence to convince the court that it is a legitimate contract and the contract was broken.
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Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket
Thank you all. The CAG is my new favourite place. I am a real fan of people power. I cant believe the blatant [problem]ming that goes on in this country. Sites like this and advice like this are superb. Thanks again. i will let you know how it goes.
cheers
Nick
Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket
Although we rarely hear back from posters who come for advise and duly tell us they successfully ignored all the [problem]voices, I am sure we would have heard complaints from them that following CAG advice, they have now lost in court and been given a 6 year jail sentence!
From that, you can conclude that ignoring was a successful route to go.