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    Default Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket

    Hello Everyone,
    i parked in a privately managed car park in the centre of exeter (managed by PPS). i paid for 4 hours parking and returned in time to find a ticket for £100 - stating that i had the 'ticket upside down'. The wind must have blown it as i was removing the buggy and the children. i am absolutely livid, as there were other vehicles with no tickets displayed. does anyone have any specific advice as to how i can successfully appeal. do i have grounds for an appeal? i am never going to pay them.
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    Default Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket

    There is no 'appeal' nesheehan, that is just a [problem] as is the ticket.

    If you told them 'Bin Laden' had shot your children and held a gun to your head and forced you to put the
    ticket upside down and is was all captured on video, it would still come back "appeal rejected".

    Whatever you do, DON'T pay this con.

    This is contractual and you can bet your life the signs that were at the entrance did not say "£100 fine if ticket is upside down".

    Have a read through any of the other threads and you will see the way to go.

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    Default Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket

    Quote Originally Posted by nesheehan View Post
    ticket for £100 - stating that i had the 'ticket upside down'.
    Hi Nick - welcome to CAGicon

    Unbelievable! - Just tell them your Australian!!!! - lol

    Sorry - all joking aside - simply ignore as Conniff says.

    You may receive letters threatening 'this that and the other' (addressed to the Registered Keeper) - but thats all they are, threats - simply ignore.

    As Conniff says - read the stickies on the subject to put your mind at rest.

    And remember these golden rules (Courtesy of AI27):

    • do not pay
    • do not contact them
    • ignore any letters you receive, no matter how threatening
    • they will give up and go away after 3 or 4

    If you do contact them, then they will view you as a 'hooked fish' to their [problem], and it will then take much longer before they go away!


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    Default Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket

    I have read this and I am appauled at the issue of a parking chargeicon for this reason and fail to see how it could be enforced.
    I would report the company to bpa.
    I strongly beleive and know that the courts uphold charges given if they have been given correctly, in this case no company would be silly enough to commence action and no court would ever see it is a valid charge.
    I accept it is tickets like this that put the whole industry in a bad light.


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    I don't think there is any point in writing to the bpa as it is the parking companies that are the bpa.

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    Default Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket

    Thanks for those replies. if I ignore all correspondance with them, then i will eventually get passed onto a debt collectionicon agency. what then? is it a case of ignore everything and it will go away eventually or will i need to fight my corner?
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    Just to put some interpretation on words for you nesheehan.

    This is not a 'fine', only courts can issue 'fines'.

    This is a contract made by the signs exhibited and 'a driver' agreeing to that contract by continuing into the park and using the facilities.

    With a contract, you have done nothing wrong until you breach that contract, and you cannot breach a contract if the wording is not embedded into it.

    A demand for money for a breach in a contract can only be for an amount of loss.
    As you paid for a ticket, they have lost nothing. Because the ticket was upside down it cannot be classed as a loss, therefore there is 'no' breach of the contract.

    That is why these things never go to court, they have to show 'loss' and there is no loss. Also the owner of the car (to which the letter and demand is sent), has made no contract, only the driver, and the parking company do not know the driver nor can they ask you to identify the driver.

    They bank on some not paying and othes not knowing their rights so just sending off the demanded sum. The law of average says they will get more to pay because they do not know their rights so making a tidy sum for themselves.

    You certainly have no contract with any debt collecting agency, these are agents of the parking company.

    If these things ever go to court, they are only won in cases where the car driver dosn't show up in court to defend it and the parking company get a result by default

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    Default Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket

    Quote Originally Posted by nesheehan View Post
    if I ignore all correspondance with them, then i will eventually get passed onto a debt collection agency. what then?
    Ignore that too - or if you prefer (but then you are letting them know you exist!) - tell them that the debt is in dispute and they are to refer the matter back to the PPC.

    Remember debt collectorsicon are nothing more than you or I asking for some money - they have no powers (quite often the debt collector is in fact the PPC with a different name on top of the letter they send you - lol).

    Only bailiffsicon have powers (appointed by the court) and that's only once you have lost in court (if you loose & don't pay up following a court order) - if it ever goes that far - which I very very very much doubt.

    Go and enjoy yourself and stop this unbelivable reason for issuing you a ticket do anything more than make you laugh as it does me!


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    Default Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket

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    That is why these things never go to court, they have to show 'loss' and there is no loss.

    If these things ever go to court, they are only won in cases where the car driver dosn't show up in court to defend it and the parking company get a result by default
    Coniff, you should know better than give totally inaccurate advice.

    Cases do go to court and defended ones do lose, have you forgotten Thomas already ?

    I agree that this one had zero chance of going to court and zero chances of winning if the unthinkable did happen.


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    Sorry es, amend to read:

    Only one in a million tickets go to court with enough evidence to convince the court that it is a legitimate contract and the contract was broken.

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    Thank you all. The CAGicon is my new favourite place. I am a real fan of people power. I cant believe the blatant [problem]ming that goes on in this country. Sites like this and advice like this are superb. Thanks again. i will let you know how it goes.
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    Default Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket

    You've paid to park there. End of story.

    You can't be 'fined' for not displaying a P&D ticket, whether it's upsidedown or in the boot.


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    Hi

    I know this thread is 2 years old almost, but the exact same happened to me and was wondering how you got on with not paying this 'fine'?

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Parking ticket for 'upside down' pay and display ticket

    Although we rarely hear back from posters who come for advise and duly tell us they successfully ignored all the [problem]voices, I am sure we would have heard complaints from them that following CAGicon advice, they have now lost in court and been given a 6 year jail sentence!

    From that, you can conclude that ignoring was a successful route to go.



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