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    Default Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons now Moorcroft and now Lewis

    Collegue at work had been on a repayment planicon for sometime. All was going well until the Co op decided to start adding interesticon on again.

    The payments were being made religiously every month, but the amount owing was getting higher as the repayment interest was higher than the payment.

    CCA request sent to see if the agreement was in order, and no they have'nt on file anywhere, an agreement.

    Usual threatening letters sent to his home, and my friend has offered buy the debt at the same price a DCAicon would get it for. They have said no.

    Call today from Fredrickson International demanding payment immediately or they will take further action.

    He calls me worried about what may happen. So thread started for comments and updates.

    I have advised him to not talk to anyone, all correspondance to be done over the phone. No CCA, and the Co op are in default of a CCA request made some months ago.

    This should be fun.

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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons

    I doubt action is imminent...............

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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons

    That was quick Josie. .

    Have you tangled with them before?


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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons

    Yes many times

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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons

    I will have a look at your threads later then. .


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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons

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    I will have a look at your threads later then. .

    not me personally............... ...but your friend is along way from any court action etc being initiated. If it was CL Finance for example it would be a different story.

    It is unlikely that CoOperative have either a enforceable agreement or a valid Default Notice - in which case any court proceedings would ne ineffective.

    Did your friend send a SARicon request at same time as CCA? If not do one asap as that is the only request where they have to provide a copy of the signed agreement rather than a reconstructed "this is what it would have been if we had one" version under s.77-79 CCA

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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons

    In the letter i saw the other day, they have admitted that they have No CCA at all.

    S.A.R. was sent quite a while back, but there were no charges. The account was on a repayment planicon, ticking along quite nicely, then they started to add interesticon again. This interest is more than the payment made on his repayment planicon.


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    In the letter i saw the other day, they have admitted that they have No CCA at all.

    S.A.R. was sent quite a while back, but there were no charges. The account was on a repayment planicon, ticking along quite nicely, then they started to add interesticon again. This interest is more than the payment made on his repayment planicon.

    Then they will be unable to enforce anything through the courts. Any payments your friend makes are now classed as voluntary payments and are not recoverable.

    If he works out total amount borrowed and then total amount paid back he will probably have repaid capital borrowed now. He can try a F& F settlement offer but these Creditors are bullies these days even when they don't have an enforceable CCA.

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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons

    He did offer to buy the debt at the same price a DCAicon would get it for. Now he will dig his heels in and tell them to buzz off, especially after wrecking his credit file now.


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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons

    Ok, Fredrickson have sent letters demanding payment. Letter sent back explaining to them that there is no CCA and the account has been in dispute since January. . .

    Lets see what happens next. .


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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons

    Letter from Fredricksons:

    We refer to recent correspondence in this matter.

    Please mote that we have been instructed to take no further action against you and have therefore closed our file.



    DCAicon sent packing, for now. What next i wonder. . .


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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons

    Naughty Co Operative Bank .. . .

    Passed the account to Moorcroft now ....

    Letter sent to send them packing as well.

    Will this lot never learn .....


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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons

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    Naughty Co Operative Bank .. . .

    Passed the account to Moorcroft now ....

    Letter sent to send them packing as well.

    Will this lot never learn .....
    UKaviator, snap.
    The only difference is that we didn't receive a letter from Fredricksons saying they'd closed the file. Moorcroft just sent us a letter demanding payment, and we only realised last weekend that Moorcroft now appears to own 3 unenforceable accounts. 2 from TSB are with the Financial Ombudsmanicon (TSB admitted they don't have agreements for either of them), the Coop only provided an application form. As Moorcroft don't like sending niceties such as deeds of assignment, I expect we'll be collecting their threatograms for a while.

    We will not be intimidated.
    'The pen is mightier than the sword'.
    Petition to Outlaw Debt Sale and Purchase
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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons now Moorcroft

    Had a text from my collegue. Moorcroft on the phone this morning. That makes 7 calls in 2 days. They haven't received the Buzz off letter, so it has been emailed to them.

    My collegue has no agreement at all, not even an application form.


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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons now Moorcroft

    We sent them a CCA request re. the Coop 'account' on 14th February. Have had no reply as yet. Delivered 16-2-09.

    (If this helps - We sent them 'bemused' letter re. TSB 'accounts', even told them they were with fosicon, but they're still chasing. Only conclusion we can draw is that only a request for CCA stops them, and that it doesn't matter if you've asked the previous DCAicon(s) for a CCA. The same thing happened with Credit Security Ltd, only the CCA request seems to stop them.)

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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons now Moorcroft

    4 more calls today, keep digging that hole Co Operative / Moorcroft.

    Moorcroft also trading without a credit licence too.



    Naughty Moorcroft. I feel a letter to the OFT coming on and Trading Standards.


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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons now Moorcroft

    Hmmm still says their licence is current, although it expired in Jan ..

    Public Register

    Moorcroft now handed back to the Co Operative bank as they know they can't pursue this.


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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons now Moorcroft

    subbingicon - co-op have sent me two copies of my application form with no terms (interestingly CCA copy is two sided whilst SARicon copy is only one side). No replies to letters, and only contact is them phoning to ask if I've received their latest I/E form

    Time flies like an arrow...
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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons now Moorcroft

    My collegue has still heard nothing from the Co Op. Moorcroft have handed back the accounts to them.


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    Default Re: Co operative Bank No CCA passed to Fredricksons now Moorcroft

    Very Naughty Co Operative have sold the debt on again to Lewis Debt Recovery. This is the 3rd DCAicon to be sent packing.

    I shall put something together now and complain to the authorities about their collection practices.



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